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Somehow BMW Marketing (I do not think that this is an engineering decision) believes that the 135i potential market will appreciate the standard 6-piston front brake calipers more than the E92 M3 market. By offering multipiston calipers at all - and amazingly in the 1 Series- BMW is actually "flip flopping" in their published position of not considering the calipers as a factor in braking performance as critical as rotor swept area and tires. Engineering-wise, they are correct. But Marketing-wise, brake calipers are also a visual and performance factor, especially in the market that the 135i is supposed to compete (Evo, STi, G37). But again, the M3 market is also abundant with offerings with multipiston calipers, from the Cayman to the Z06. And for me, 1-piston sliding calipers in this market is kind of cost cutting under an engineering jumbo-talk. So if adjustable shocks -very nice, but M cars were doing just fine with mechanical suspensions for a long time- are an option, why there's no option for a real big-brake package? |
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Its a GT thing. They are repeating the M5 mistake. Its an M. We only need one stearing setup and one suspension setup. Anything else is purely lux pandering. Order without EDC and you can setup your own suspension by modding. Skip MDrive nonsense and buy some Brembos with the savings.
Good luck solving the stearing though. I just hope this techno puff balling won't create the reliablity issues you see in the M5. |
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08-24-2007, 11:40 AM | #91 | |
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So feel free to call me a fanboy as you did already. Don't care about that. It won't stop me pointing out people's wrong/illogical points. Best regards, south |
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08-24-2007, 12:35 PM | #92 | |
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And you should argue your points. I think this discussion over the electronics packages is a great discussion, since it gets to the heart of the matter regarding the GT focus. But hey if BMW can pull it off and deliver scorching stearing response with MDrive and track ripping stability with EDC then, regardless of the brakes sign me up! |
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08-24-2007, 12:43 PM | #93 | |
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Truth be known, I am probably one the biggest fan boys on the forum. I just try really hard not to look like a fan boy becuase it comes off looking so naive and ruins credibility. You can use your "polemic" labels to call me a provoker and goodness forbid a hater but I can tell you this - I look a lot more objective in rational eyes than you do talking the BMW mantra claiming my critiques as well as other about BMW are "wrong/illogical" and your glowing reviews of BMW are nothing but fact....Please. So much for your concern about it being boring. If my facts are right, you are the "provoker" who took the first shot at me in the past and again with the "needling" comment. So if you are going to get in the kitchen you had better be able to stand the heat. All good bantering aside, I say this in all seriousness, please don't stopping pointing out peoples factual errors, especially mine. You are as knowledgable as they get on this forum - so there. Boy are we hurting for new info on the beast or what? Keep up the good work South. |
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08-24-2007, 12:59 PM | #94 | |
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I think the jury is still out on the brakes and steering. It seems like you disagree with that? We have seen some glowing feedback and some way less than stellar as well. I sure did like ILC32's post on brakes though. He's obviously more of a "track dude" than me! I will be the first to turn if the steering, brakes and all the electronics detract/subtract from the car rather than add to it. If they detract your point about a great engine (or great bike frame) thrown together with lousy components is right on mark. My 2 cents on the electronics is: EDC = +5, who wouldn't want a bit more comfort for the street and go-cart like characteristics for the canyons or track? However, the steering maps and throttle maps could easily be removed with no loss to the car for any level of enthusiast. |
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08-24-2007, 01:23 PM | #96 | |
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I do not claim to be a big time racer or to have great skills at the track. My concern is whether the brakes on the new M3 will be up to the task for me, and not whether the brake hardware offers the best ultimate theoretical performance under all-out endurance race conditions. I guess where I am coming from is all this angst about the brakes (and especially the number of pistons) to me seem: (1) premature, and (2) based on some Le Mans fantasy and not how most people who buy this car will actually use it. |
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08-24-2007, 01:37 PM | #97 | |
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After having the controversy about brakes with E already finished you came back with that statement. Same here: All I did say is that when I'm correcting people's statements here it's mostly because of wrong facts. Never said that everything I said was a fact and I really don't think my post can be read that way. I simply responded to your comment about criticizing the negative posts, whereas I'm supporting the fanboys; was not talking about my posts in general. So now I'm facing another attack about being less objective than you. That's needless, but hey, I should be able to handle with heat. Don't see for what's that method good, but don't have to either...Maybe I should just skip your future thread starts saying "Is the M3 just a big desaster", "Is the 330 better" and so on. But yeah, that's objective. How could an argument wrapped in a question not be... Sorry for the OT Best regards, south (E, you owe me a beer) |
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08-24-2007, 03:11 PM | #99 | |
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You're familiar with German beer already, aren't you? Best regards, south |
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08-24-2007, 03:54 PM | #100 |
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haha.. keep the fan boys happy. eh? i love bmws but won't make excuses for them when they screw up..
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(a) i have a deposit on one and pending a test drive will be buying one. (b) i will be taking it on track and driving it at my limit.
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08-24-2007, 04:51 PM | #104 |
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sure.. next time your up this way
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Well done S.
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I shall buy you multiple beers, just cause.
Hacker-Pschorr ok with you?
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08-24-2007, 08:53 PM | #108 |
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See what I mean South, offer to buy Epacy a beer and he is still going off, amazing, he cannot give it up. Not much of joker either, oh well, can't say I didn't try. Hate to see what he labels Mitsubishi enthusiasts. He is aware BMW contracts with Mitsubishi to build it's turbos? Gotta love Epacy, but I am not sure if my offer still stands if he is going to keep talking that way.
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What in the sam hell are you talking about? Your posts continue to get more and more puzzling. My reply to S was in a jovial manner.
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08-24-2007, 09:08 PM | #110 | |
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My reply to you was in the same manner. Last edited by ruff; 08-24-2007 at 11:15 PM.. |
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