Do you guys think this m3 has frame damage?

Yvette · 10-02-2013, 03:14 AM

What do you guys think?
I am in middle of dealing with the seller, this is the picture of the accident,
it is now fully repaired but I would like to find out if you guys can point out if it had frame damage, Front (engine) and Rear are fine tho. Yes its salvaged title, but fully repaired and has rebuilt title.
I haven't looked in person, but would like to get some feedback before I go.

mjposner · 10-02-2013, 05:31 AM

This was more than a side impact. Look at the roof damage. Only way to really know is get on a rack and have a professional look, but given the impact you could see the same damage at the bottom as the top. It was obviously totalled by insurance company, and who know how good the repairs were, but if it is straight and looks good, and passes inspection and cheap, then do not let the naysayers tell you no.

TrevorM3 · 10-02-2013, 07:02 AM

New quarter (back glass is already out, so that saves some labor money) new hood, (can't see roof or door damage) and new rocker panel.

Overall, this would be a cheap buy for sure. Slap on new parts and repaint that whole side. Very simple job, actually.

Yvette · 10-02-2013, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by mjposner

This was more than a side impact. Look at the roof damage. Only way to really know is get on a rack and have a professional look, but given the impact you could see the same damage at the bottom as the top. It was obviously totalled by insurance company, and who know how good the repairs were, but if it is straight and looks good, and passes inspection and cheap, then do not let the naysayers tell you no.

yap
it passed all the inspection

Yvette · 10-02-2013, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by TrevorM3

New quarter (back glass is already out, so that saves some labor money) new hood, (can't see roof or door damage) and new rocker panel.

Overall, this would be a cheap buy for sure. Slap on new parts and repaint that whole side. Very simple job, actually.

its already repaired with new parts.
the damage seems not so bad, so i am thinking buying it

THE TECH · 10-02-2013, 12:36 PM

Depends if you want a salvage titled car. It will be harder to sell later on.

Yvette · 10-02-2013, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by THE TECH

Depends if you want a salvage titled car. It will be harder to sell later on.

i know, i dont plan selling it anyways

THE TECH · 10-02-2013, 01:17 PM

Good luck.

Yvette · 10-02-2013, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by THE TECH

Good luck.

thanks we will see how it goes

TrevorM3 · 10-02-2013, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by e90sexion

its already repaired with new parts.
the damage seems not so bad, so i am thinking buying it

i say do it, you said you don't care about resell.

Get it, and boost it

1MOREMOD · 10-02-2013, 11:09 PM

I would say no it doesn't have frame damage, but lots of other things wrong. What's the price fixed?

i001947 · 10-03-2013, 07:27 AM

Pass.

It just might seem like a good ideal now due to the price that you able to afford. But good deals will quickly fade after the "honeymoon" period and you will regret it dearly.

Let it go!

bga23 · 10-03-2013, 08:07 AM

I'd say pass as well, you're not going to want a salvage car. You will sell this car some day (contrary to what you think) and a salvage will be very tough to move.

BMWNTHZST · 10-03-2013, 08:46 AM

I'm sure the unibody is still straight.

You have said resale isn't a concern so go for it!

Good luck.

M3Power_ · 10-03-2013, 08:46 AM

Don't forget another rear left rim. It looks curb checked badly.

tailgate1234 · 10-03-2013, 09:30 AM

Take it to a body shop that you choose and have them look it over carefully. A good body shop should be able to spot any major issues very quickly.

If it passes the test, you can get a good deal on the car and don't plan on selling, you might be able to get a great deal.

Yvette · 10-03-2013, 11:02 PM

thanks guys
the seller indicated it is still under warranty so i will take it to a shop for inspection for sure
what parts can go wrong from the look of the accident?

froz_v · 10-04-2013, 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by e90sexion

thanks guys
the seller indicated it is still under warranty so i will take it to a shop for inspection for sure
what parts can go wrong from the look of the accident?

I would check with BMW to verify the warranty is still valid because I have a friend with a salvaged/rebuilt titled BMW and the warranty on his car was void because the car was salvaged/rebuilt. So I would suggest you to check with BMW.

SilentAttack · 10-04-2013, 12:18 AM

Get it. Salvage cars are the best bang for the buck. As long as you know the problems you can run into before hand

Yvette · 10-04-2013, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by froz_v

I would check with BMW to verify the warranty is still valid because I have a friend with a salvaged/rebuilt titled BMW and the warranty on his car was void because the car was salvaged/rebuilt. So I would suggest you to check with BMW.

well, it does have warranty, just went over the warranty/maintenance history

ES_TRADER · 10-04-2013, 09:20 PM

Dude you gotta be kidding yourself if you don't think that car had unibody/structural damage. The only way to know for certain is to get that thing on a BMW frame machine (certified BMW collision centers have this, not regular joes auto body).

They have to check the frame alignment to see if it is still within mfg spec. But judging from the pic, I am most certain you DO Have frame damage.

Why? Because my 328i was hit like that, exact same rear quarter at about 20-30 mph. Rear airbags deployed but the glass didn't shatter so your impact was much harder. And my car listed as yes on the frame damage. They had to cut out that rear qtr and pull it out with the hydraulic frame alignment machine. You can go to any auto body and they will probably just buy a new panel and put shims in the frame. That's the wrong way to correct this issue. Good luck

Btw, the C pillar in that photo is a dead giveaway of frame damage. That for sure is part of the frame/unibody. So yes op you do have frame damage and you get what you paid for. Don't expect much from a resale

1fastdoc · 10-04-2013, 09:45 PM

You asked for opinions but never mentioned the most crucial element: cost.

If the car is $1,000 then anyone here would buy it.
If the car is $55,000 then nobody here would buy it.

This car certainly has a specific value, even with frame damage. But if you want educated opinions you have to lay out all the facts.

Regarding warranty, I've never seen a salvage title car retain the manufacturer's warranty. Better check directly with BMW on that one and get it in writing from them. If they do warranty the car, it will probably be limited and you will have a fight for any replaced part OR any part that may be affected by a replaced part.

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mjposner Brigadier General 898 Rep 3,071 Posts Drives: 2020 Z4 40i Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Southwest Florida iTrader: (3)	This was more than a side impact. Look at the roof damage. Only way to really know is get on a rack and have a professional look, but given the impact you could see the same damage at the bottom as the top. It was obviously totalled by insurance company, and who know how good the repairs were, but if it is straight and looks good, and passes inspection and cheap, then do not let the naysayers tell you no. __________________ Previous BMW: 16 M4, 13 M6; 14 M235i, 12 BMW M3; 11 BMW M3; 08 BMW M3; 08 BMW Z4M; 04 X3; 02 M3 Convertible; 02 M3; 00 M Roadster; 94 325 convertible; 92 325i Convertible; and 85 635csi My Car Photo Blog: http://carfisheye.blogspot.com/
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TrevorM3 Banned 3322 Rep 8,083 Posts Drives: 6.3 AMG Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Florida iTrader: (0)	New quarter (back glass is already out, so that saves some labor money) new hood, (can't see roof or door damage) and new rocker panel. Overall, this would be a cheap buy for sure. Slap on new parts and repaint that whole side. Very simple job, actually.
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THE TECH BimmerPost Supporting Vendor 307 Rep 13,093 Posts Drives: BPMsport 2012 E92 M3 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Kansas iTrader: (45) Garage List 2013 Nissan GTR [0.00] 2019 Sierra Denali ... [0.00] 1999 Nissan Silvia [0.00] 1999 Nissan Skyline ... [0.00] 1998 Toyota Supra [0.00]	Depends if you want a salvage titled car. It will be harder to sell later on.
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THE TECH BimmerPost Supporting Vendor 307 Rep 13,093 Posts Drives: BPMsport 2012 E92 M3 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Kansas iTrader: (45) Garage List 2013 Nissan GTR [0.00] 2019 Sierra Denali ... [0.00] 1999 Nissan Silvia [0.00] 1999 Nissan Skyline ... [0.00] 1998 Toyota Supra [0.00]	Good luck.
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1MOREMOD - 11817 Rep 23,187 Posts Drives: Race car-> Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: check your mirrors iTrader: (5)	I would say no it doesn't have frame damage, but lots of other things wrong. What's the price fixed?
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i001947 Captain 26 Rep 688 Posts Drives: '13 E92 M3 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: US iTrader: (0)	Pass. It just might seem like a good ideal now due to the price that you able to afford. But good deals will quickly fade after the "honeymoon" period and you will regret it dearly. Let it go!
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bga23 Dirty old man 59 Rep 493 Posts Drives: 2021 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Nashville, TN iTrader: (0)	I'd say pass as well, you're not going to want a salvage car. You will sell this car some day (contrary to what you think) and a salvage will be very tough to move.
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BMWNTHZST Enthusiast 194 Rep 1,283 Posts Drives: 2015 F80 M3 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Toronto iTrader: (27) Garage List 2011 BMW E93 M3 [0.00] 2004 BMW M3 [9.50] 2015 BMW F80 M3 [0.00] 1997 BMW 840CI [9.50] 2011 BMW X5 M [10.00] 2008 BMW 335i Conve ... [8.40]	I'm sure the unibody is still straight. You have said resale isn't a concern so go for it! Good luck. __________________ 2017 Porsche 718 Boxster Carerra White / Garnet Red / Black 2013 Porsche 991.1 911 Carrera S Platinum Silver Metallic / Black and Yellow accents 2014 F31 328i xDrive Alpine White / Black
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tailgate1234 Private First Class 15 Rep 173 Posts Drives: 2008 M3 Sedan Silverstone II Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: SF Bay Area iTrader: (0)	Take it to a body shop that you choose and have them look it over carefully. A good body shop should be able to spot any major issues very quickly. If it passes the test, you can get a good deal on the car and don't plan on selling, you might be able to get a great deal.
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10-03-2013, 11:02 PM	#17
Yvette Major General 760 Rep 7,408 Posts Drives: M Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Vancouver iTrader: (19)	thanks guys the seller indicated it is still under warranty so i will take it to a shop for inspection for sure what parts can go wrong from the look of the accident?
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10-04-2013, 12:18 AM	#19
SilentAttack Lieutenant Colonel 163 Rep 1,790 Posts Drives: 08 E90 Jerez Black 6MT Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Nashville, TN iTrader: (0)	Get it. Salvage cars are the best bang for the buck. As long as you know the problems you can run into before hand
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ES_TRADER Colonel 344 Rep 2,928 Posts Drives: 328i, 335i, M3, 535i, X5, 36M Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: OC iTrader: (3) Garage List 2014 Ford Raptor [0.00] 2012 328i E92 [10.00] 2013 X5 [0.00] 2013 335i F30 [8.00] 1990 Toyota Previa [0.00] 1997 E36 M3 [10.00] 2011 E92 M3 [0.00] 2011 535i [0.00]	Dude you gotta be kidding yourself if you don't think that car had unibody/structural damage. The only way to know for certain is to get that thing on a BMW frame machine (certified BMW collision centers have this, not regular joes auto body). They have to check the frame alignment to see if it is still within mfg spec. But judging from the pic, I am most certain you DO Have frame damage. Why? Because my 328i was hit like that, exact same rear quarter at about 20-30 mph. Rear airbags deployed but the glass didn't shatter so your impact was much harder. And my car listed as yes on the frame damage. They had to cut out that rear qtr and pull it out with the hydraulic frame alignment machine. You can go to any auto body and they will probably just buy a new panel and put shims in the frame. That's the wrong way to correct this issue. Good luck Btw, the C pillar in that photo is a dead giveaway of frame damage. That for sure is part of the frame/unibody. So yes op you do have frame damage and you get what you paid for. Don't expect much from a resale
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10-04-2013, 09:45 PM	#22
1fastdoc Second Lieutenant 85 Rep 280 Posts Drives: 2017 R8 Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nashville, TN iTrader: (0)	You asked for opinions but never mentioned the most crucial element: cost. If the car is $1,000 then anyone here would buy it. If the car is $55,000 then nobody here would buy it. This car certainly has a specific value, even with frame damage. But if you want educated opinions you have to lay out all the facts. Regarding warranty, I've never seen a salvage title car retain the manufacturer's warranty. Better check directly with BMW on that one and get it in writing from them. If they do warranty the car, it will probably be limited and you will have a fight for any replaced part OR any part that may be affected by a replaced part.
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