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01-22-2010, 01:29 PM | #112 |
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Congrats. Shows the superiority of the DCT.
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01-22-2010, 06:07 PM | #113 |
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Guys unless your dyno is a Cartec/Maha and has a fan setup like this (capable of 180mph) you're wasting your time on erroneous data:
That's a $1.1M USD setup. You cannot properly and accurately simulate airflow into, over top of, or beneath a car nor simulate load at speed without a true windtunnel type setup. Thanks |
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01-22-2010, 06:14 PM | #114 | |
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We've just been accused of running spray on the car on the 11.2X@124+ passes (all of them at 3 diff tracks on 3 diff days) by a competitor, kind of gives you that warm feeling all over Wait till the sticks go in. Can't wait to see what yours does with FI!!! Thanks Andy |
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01-22-2010, 06:18 PM | #115 | |
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That being said, 99.99% of the dynos around the world have insufficient airflow especially for a high rpm N/A car. If it can't breathe, it can't make power. Drag racing skill becomes less of an issue (vs what the car is capable of) after making dozens of passes at different venues with the same driver (auto trans and DRs make it idiot proof). FWIW, other C63s built by other tuners claim 600 crank HP or thereabout, well, that's what we're making (600-610) and we're trapping 124+, if they're only trapping 118 they are simply not making the power. Finally one last thing to keep in mind, every 1/4 mile weather correction equation I've ever seen assumes 50% humidity, and we all know that humidity plays an even greater role in actual performance than even temperature. This screws the guys in FL, LA, etc. as they typically see 80%+. Thanks! |
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01-23-2010, 12:33 AM | #116 |
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Crap, I missed the part about 1/4 mile times being relevant altogether the first quick read through.
We proudly advertise the fact that we hold the Q/F N/A 63 AMG 1/8th, 1/4 mile, standing mile (VBox), 60-130 (VBox verified as seen on 6speedonline's list), and make the most HP/TQ on dynos with no air. Each of the above represents a measuring stick based on data. Sure you can pick apart any single test, but held together they can tell you everything. That being said I wish standing mile races had times and not just traps, because I would regard that to being the ultimate test of straightline speed. The Cartec/Maha in windtunnel would come in a close second (OEMs use this type of dyno and fan setup for emissions testing, fuel economy certification, etc) Otherwise the next best guage/test for me (as far as judging HP/TQ gains) is the 1/4 mile. Having an automatic trans that makes consistent (albeit slower and I'd much rather have an SMG in the car) shifts on DRs with dedicated racers helps to eliminate quite a few variables. 60-130 is what most consider a "rolling dyno". Gearing is less of a factor (but still plays a solid role in how many shifts it takes to cover the spread) since there is no "launch", traction is "less" of an issue (for most cars, definitely a problem for the faster ones). The Porsche guys love it and honestly I think it's another good way to measure a cars straightline performance. Again though from personal experience, nothing sells more software/hardware than 1/4 mile results, which gives you 60', 330, 1/8th and 1/4 mile data, speaking in global terms anyway. Dynos are ridiculously easy to manipulate (as your excellent sticky points out, that should be reposted on every forum on the net btw), the timing equipment is NHRA/IHRA certified, and you have both a timeslip and video as proof--also run a VBox for back up/GPS data. JMHO Thanks Last edited by MHP; 01-23-2010 at 01:16 AM.. |
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I'm going to send a full 63 hardware set (H/C, LTs, Catback, Airboxes, and tune) over to Germany to test on a C63 there for true results for that exact reason. Thanks! |
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I know I'm a month late but I've never been over here on M3post and was just informed of your times and CONGRATS is in order!!!!!!!!!! Couldn't happen to a more deserving guy!! GREAT RUNS!! Now that you are into the 11's you won't stop modding(not like you were anyway). My recommendation is to stay N/A as long as you can stand it and there are mods available. I love the N/A set!! Once again, CONGRATS and be safe!!
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Anyways, that is a very nice dyno room you all have there! And, your c63 results in your sig are undeniable. Bravo! |
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Thanks guys, much appreciated. It really is a pleasure working with such talented people using facilities like that. Sorry for the OT Drew! |
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01-28-2010, 11:07 AM | #124 |
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Thanks man! Andre?
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08 E92 M3 DCT - Bolt Ons - 60-130MPH 10.71s - 11.88 @ 118MPH - 377WHP ESS VT2-625 SC 60-130MPH 6.80s - 11.30 @ 129.3 MPH 586WHP / 379WTQ ESS VT3-750 - 60-130MPH 6.14s - 10.81 @ 135.13 MPH 690WHP/463WTQ Shift-S3ctor E92 M3 - 1/2 Mile Trap Speed WR - 174.13 MPH |
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08 E92 M3 DCT - Bolt Ons - 60-130MPH 10.71s - 11.88 @ 118MPH - 377WHP ESS VT2-625 SC 60-130MPH 6.80s - 11.30 @ 129.3 MPH 586WHP / 379WTQ ESS VT3-750 - 60-130MPH 6.14s - 10.81 @ 135.13 MPH 690WHP/463WTQ Shift-S3ctor E92 M3 - 1/2 Mile Trap Speed WR - 174.13 MPH |
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