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09-20-2011, 06:04 AM | #133 |
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one thing they don't mention is that m3 has the worst fuel consumption with the least power. Also, modding potential of m3 is a lot less... I think those are the only gripes I have with it.
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09-20-2011, 06:38 AM | #134 |
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I would have gotten C63 over the M3, IF THEY MADE THEM WITH MANUAL! can't for the life of me drive an automatic... or whatever you call it, if there is no 3rd pedal it's automatic.
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I disagree completely! The BMW is almost always the driver's car out of any bunch despite the weight. If anything, BMW is doing a GREAT JOB of maintaining the fun factor of their cars in lieu of increasing safety/emissions regulations.
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I wish I knew what the sales numbers are of these cars including the cts-v.
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Car and Driver, Road and Track, and Motortrend all disagree. BMW's electric steering has put them at the back of the pack.
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Most of us who have driven other cars in the segment will agree that the BMW is the better driving vehicle. |
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The 3 series will be heading down the same path. Not sure what M has planned for the M3. Guess what we'll have to wait and see. I was replying to your "BMW is almost always the drivers car" comment. It's not "The Drivers Choice" anymore.
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I highly doubt it. Statements similar to yours have been regurgitated over the past decade or more (..with the E36....the E46...and now the E9X), and they are still regarded as the best driving vehicles in their segment (..again, referring to the 3-Series/M3 and other ///M variants). So with regards to the 3, it is almost always the driver's car.
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The 1M was "thrown together", but it isn't a shoddy product by any means. It isn't like that car is short on performance either. Yeah, they said the same thing about the E46 after years were spent abhorring its existence. They said the same thing about the E36 after years were spent abhorring its existence. The E9X is just recently being regarded as "the last of the true M3's" by keyboard enthusiasts (..and some automotive journalists) after years were spent abhorring its existence. Notice a pattern here? Almost all of the negative comments surrounded the increasing weight of the vehicles, but NOBODY could deny how well the cars handled and hid their hefty curb weight. ALL cars are increasing in weight and looking for alternatives in power; it's a byproduct of the increasingly strict safety/emissions standards. Livability is extremely important in a daily driven vehicle as well. Last edited by Sedan_Clan; 09-21-2011 at 04:47 PM.. |
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-The current generation 3 series hasn't incorporated electric steering yet which is why it's still holding that #1 spot. Every new car BMW has put out has ended up last in comparison tests. What makes the 3 series any different? -Not ALL cars are gaining weight. The Porsche Cayenne(The SUV) lost 400+ pounds and the next generation Q7 is said to be losing near 800 pounds. Like I said, R&D is expensive and BMW just doesn't want to play that card. They'd rather spend on the money on marketing giving the X6 22 inch wheels. P.S. The 1M is marketing, and so are the X5 and X6 M's.
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I have a buddy with a C63. Fuel consumption is definitely worse than the M3. He gets around 10mpg city and 14-15 on the highway. I have been getting around 14 mpg city and about 18 on the highway averaging 80-85mph.
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So yes, the E9x M3 is the end of an era and the end of my purchasing of the brand; at least until they make significant strides in turbo tech which I imagine is at least another model generation away.
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A little bit of reading comprehension goes a long way. You implied that the BMW demographic is made up of badge whores, and I replied that such a title could be applicable to owners of all of the luxury marquees. It even applies to a lesser degree with economy cars (..i.e..the Honda Civic driver who feels that he is above the Ford Escort driver). Please explain how the quality has dropped. I have owned approximately 10 BMW's since '99/'00 (..5 of those 10 cars were M3's....three of the E46 variant, 1 E90 and my current E92), and I can firmly attest without any doubt in my mind that my E9X M3 is better built that any E36, E46 or 1-series that I've owned or currently own. Quote:
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...most cars in the segment are gaining weight. Rarely does the next generation within automobiles product line shed any significant weight (..save for specific performance oriented versions that offer little to no creature comforts and are uncomfortable for daily use) Possibly, BUT do remember that the older X5 4.8is was essentially an M X5 without the badge. With Mercedes and Porsche in the performance SUV/SAV market, BMW would have been stupid not to tap into its potential. It makes perfect business sense despite whether or not you agree. Last edited by Sedan_Clan; 09-21-2011 at 06:11 PM.. |
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Driving the exact same mainly city pattern I got 14 mpg in my C63. I'm consistently getting 12.6 now in my M3.
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FWIW, I am pulling 19.2 mpg during mixed driving, and it only drops after prolonged "spirited" curvy road excursions. I admittedly don't drive my car hard all of the time; I have a race-prepped 848 (..and a number of Southern California tracks) for that. |
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- I don't appreciate the fact that you feel the need to make smurk comments like, " A little reading comprehension goes a long way", This is the second time you've said something like this. Next time, I'm reporting it. We are having a civil discussion, no need to get snarky. - Quality has dropped significantly. The leather wears after just 2,000 miles, Misaligned hoods popping up left and right,, interior rattles...I could keep going as the list is plentiful. |
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