A compilation of 2 years of Oh Sh*t Moments at the tracks

[USCTrojanMan29]

Thanks for posting for the video. Nice recovers when going sideways most of the time. I guess I got smaller balls than you because I'll never turn off the PASM (P-car version of DSC) at the track or on the street. One of the PCA instructors told me...."the fastest way to total your GT3 is to turn the PASM off"

[M3 Esq]

This is awesome. That's a lot of pucker factor for only two seasons. Keep up the good work! Very quick hands on most if not all of those. Nicely done!

[dapopa9]

Just watched all 11min. Great video. Love watching the chase car cam shots.... The M3 has the most lively rear end of any car on the track.

The dive bombs are epic!

[OC3]

Originally Posted by SpiralOut

Great video man. You had some awesome saves in there.

Thanks.

Originally Posted by bigjae1976

Sliding and drfiting is kind of addicting to the point where you do get slower. BUT it opens a whole new world of possibilities in sliding the car into position.

The key is to break the rear end loose, catch it and go and avoid the pendulum (sp?) effect.

Yeah, avoid tank slappers by not lifting off the throttle.

Originally Posted by Transfer

Looks fun. Around here if you're drifting you'll probably hit something, and if not, you'll get kicked out if its repetitive. I'm totally jealous of those open desert tracks.

Yeah, we're lucky here that most of the tracks have ton of run-off's.

Originally Posted by Bluesummer

a lot of fun

Indeed, that's all it is, having lots of fun.

Originally Posted by WarrantyTracker

Man oh man. For anybody that is confused about steering into the slide to correct oversteer, just watch this video once. If you don't get it by then, you won't get it.

Seriously, this vid has huge instructional value.

Welp, it's just a documentation of a little journey I took, but if it helps someone, great!

Originally Posted by klammer

Awesome compilation and nice to see a solid progression. Very entertaining, thanks for sharing

Thanks, buddy!

Originally Posted by USCTrojanMan29

Thanks for posting for the video. Nice recovers when going sideways most of the time. I guess I got smaller balls than you because I'll never turn off the PASM (P-car version of DSC) at the track or on the street. One of the PCA instructors told me...."the fastest way to total your GT3 is to turn the PASM off"

Well, there was a period during 1st year of tracking wherein I considered staying in MDM mode indefinitely but, as you get faster at tracks, the long moments after exiting corners where the car's not moving forward prompted me to go DSC off.

Originally Posted by M3 Esq.

This is awesome. That's a lot of pucker factor for only two seasons. Keep up the good work! Very quick hands on most if not all of those. Nicely done!

Thanks.

Originally Posted by dapopa9

Just watched all 11min. Great video. Love watching the chase car cam shots.... The M3 has the most lively rear end of any car on the track.

The dive bombs are epic!

Thanks, bud. Looking forward to seeing you back at the tracks with your next ride!

[pkimM3r]

Dis you learn all your corrections by just driving on the track a lot or did you go to some sort of drift, car control days? Im worried i would be 50k in the hole by going off track too much!

[jrlee53]

Awesome vid, loved watching your recoveries. Wish there was cams at corners to get that footage.

[OC3]

Originally Posted by pkim1079

Dis you learn all your corrections by just driving on the track a lot or did you go to some sort of drift, car control days? Im worried i would be 50k in the hole by going off track too much!

No. About a year & half before I got into tracking (w/ 2011 M3), I was trying to learn how to drift (w/ 2008 M3) and took a couple of drifting lessons. Those lessons, plus an incident between said 2 lessons on a street where I almost wrecked my car, were invaluable. But, full car control practice didn't commence 'til I started tracking, and in particular, after DSC was turned off.

Kaiv and I might organize a car control/drift event for SoCal track people at some point. It'd be both a nice way to get some pointers from Kaiv, as well as burn off heat-cycled-out track tires we all have piling up.

Originally Posted by JDy80

Awesome vid, loved watching your recoveries. Wish there was cams at corners to get that footage.

Thanks & me too.

[pkimM3r]

That would be awesome i would definitely do that. Time to buy some used crap tires lol.

[pkimM3r]

I should just run in beginner group with dsc off and start out slow.

[mid-corner fun]

Originally Posted by pkim1079

I should just run in beginner group with dsc off and start out slow.

Pick an open track/test day please, the beginner's group is NOT the right place to test DSC off, primarily for the safety of the other drivers that will not know how to react when you spin or go off.

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by mid-corner fun

Pick an open track/test day please, the beginner's group is NOT the right place to test DSC off, primarily for the safety of the other drivers that will not know how to react when you spin or go off.

True - or i can be the last person in the group.

[IN54NITY]

Originally Posted by pkim1079

True - or i can be the last person in the group.

As a BMWCCA instructor, I completely disagree with "mid-corner fun". Whatever you do pkim1079, don't go out by yourself on some open lapping day and try this. If you do go out with the BMWCCA, tell your instructor your intentions and get HIS/HER input, discuss, and make a decision. Take what you hear on the interwebs with a huge grain of salt, including this post if you want to.

Edit: To OP, thank you for posting your video.

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by aleckzandr

As a BMWCCA instructor, I completely disagree with "mid-corner fun". Whatever you do pkim1079, don't go out by yourself on some open lapping day and try this. If you do go out with the BMWCCA, tell your instructor your intentions and get HIS/HER input, discuss, and make a decision. Take what you hear on the interwebs with a huge grain of salt, including this post if you want to.

also true - spin out on an open track day - get hit by an open wheeler!

[OC3]

^There's no "correct" strategy that works equally well for everyone. As some stated, some start tracking with TC off, and others don't turn off TC for a long while. Others never turn it off.

More important than when to turn it off, perhaps turn it off once you find a solution to keep you secured in the seat. When you are locked in tight in your seat, you feel the backend of the car coming out quicker/immediately, and you are not out of position with respect to the steering wheel to counter the slides. A while back, I considered buying a Recaro seat and harness, but after someone showed me a seatbelt/cam-lock trick*, I didn't need the Recaro anymore.

* Slide the seat back (& I also recline the backrest), jerk the seatbelt to lock the cam and insert the sealtbelt into the recepticle, then while keeping tension on the seatbelt to keep the cam locked, slide the seat forward (& bring the backrest back up) until you are sitting fairly close to the steering wheel. This way, you are locked in very tight in your seat and you will not be sliding around. And, when the car is at a severe drift angle, you are locked in the seat perfectly upright and close to the steering wheel.

[mid-corner fun]

Originally Posted by aleckzandr

As a BMWCCA instructor, I completely disagree with "mid-corner fun". Whatever you do pkim1079, don't go out by yourself on some open lapping day and try this. If you do go out with the BMWCCA, tell your instructor your intentions and get HIS/HER input, discuss, and make a decision. Take what you hear on the interwebs with a huge grain of salt, including this post if you want to.

Edit: To OP, thank you for posting your video.

Apologies, I forgot about instructors, I don't deal with them that often :-) If the OP is in a instructor-based group, sure by all means the instructor can help tremendously with a DSC off exercise.

If you've progressed to a non-instructor group (call it advanced, HPDE3/4 etc), dropping down to the beginner group to test DSC off will be a disaster, I stand by my statement on picking an open track day instead.

[surlynkid]

if i could actually make this POS GoPro Hero3 BE actually work, I could post a few. I swear i get it to work one time out of 4 sessions per day. between the battery bacpac, passthru charging not working, passthru battery consumption not working, the wifi controller not syncing, not turning on no matter what i do when i push buttons, not turning off without just pulling the internal battery, i cannot say i have ever found a piece of equipment that has more glitches and is a bigger POS. for those that make it work, the vids of the "moments" are great. i just do nothing but fight this stupid camera that cost a lot of money.

[OC3]

^Might find Contour cams less troublesome (or, trouble-free) than GoPro's...

[pkimM3r]

I feel that even if I am in a tight seat position I have to do a lot of bracing with my legs and seriously considering some seats after SOW. It definitely is hard to feel the car with the butt - the seat feels so damn high too! Am I just a midget?

[OC3]

Welp, racing seats w/ harness are obviously your best bet.

But, that seatbelt/cam-lock trick gets me situated so tight in the seat (the seatbelt going across my chest is so tight that it sometimes makes it hard to breathe, so you gotta adjust it a bit by re-doing it w/ a slightly different seat position; so, I've set the seat memory button #2 as the optimal position for me ) that I haven't felt the need for a racing seat.

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by OC3

Welp, racing seats w/ harness are obviously your best bet.

But, that seatbelt/cam-lock trick gets me situated so tight in the seat (the seatbelt going across my chest is so tight that it sometimes makes it hard to breathe, so you gotta adjust it a bit by re-doing it w/ a slightly different seat position; so, I've set the seat memory button #2 as the optimal position for me ) that I haven't felt the need for a racing seat.

will try that next time out...i felt that i was tightly in but maybe i need to set my seat a little - after the track day i adjusted to have my butt sit lower than my legs and that felt a little better. will try it out at buttonwillow on the 27th.....set up the car control session!

[OC3]

Yea, my track setting seat position is much lower than the DD seat position. Plus, on the track, you want to sit very close to the steering wheel.

Re: drift/car-control event, we'll probably want to do it after the summer heat passes.

[pkimM3r]

Originally Posted by OC3

Yea, my track setting seat position is much lower than the DD seat position. Plus, on the track, you want to sit very close to the steering wheel.

Re: drift/car-control event, we'll probably want to do it after the summer heat passes.

i sit at the lowest regardless but my track setting is close to the steering wheel (wrists passed top of steering wheel at full stretch) but then my legs get all crampy.....