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10-18-2007, 12:39 PM | #48 |
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Top drivers in similar car set amazingly near identical times. M division should get Andy Prilaux behind the wheel of a E92 M3 on standard PS2 and set an "official" Ring time and see where the M3 stands amongst the usual suspects.
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10-18-2007, 12:42 PM | #49 | |
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When you include two options each of the variables: tires(+, std), transmission(MT, AMT) and driver (Sportauto, factory ace) you will get 8 times with a fairly broad range, probably about 25 seconds. I would love to know them all but what we will get short term is simply EU std. vehicle with Sportauto driver. |
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Anything else you want to add to the 911S? I bet if we kept adding things to the M3 it would get better times as well.
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Me? I want to see what the car is really capable of doing, so 7:59s for Walther Rohrl (997S) and Dave Hill (Z51 Vette) are the official times for me. "What the car is capable of" times, that is. Sportauto times are also valuable, but on-site variables mean that their posted times are variable, as well. Their 8:05 in a 997S is getting pretty close, but the 8:15 in a Vette is almost silly. Bruce |
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10-18-2007, 02:36 PM | #54 | |
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(It's all true, of course.) Some here already have; like Cup tires. It really doesn't matter how one sells themselves on Cup tires being okay because they may or may not be standard equipment in some parts of the world. The fact remains that the tires are improving the times not the car. If, of course, the SA time was on Cup tires. As far as adding things to the M, go ahead add everything that you have. Even with Cup tires, the M won't best the 911S in facelifted, power bumped, x51, 20mm suspension (ALL STOCK) configuration in any speed contest. With that said, have you seen what I will be driving very soon? |
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HaHa. No, not really without CUP tires, the M will not beat the current 911S at the 'Ring. Maybe you should have a look see at the recent thread regarding some speed runs. Oh, that's right it's not Sport Auto and the M didn't win, so it must be flawed. The sad thing is, is that BMW couldn't even compete with a four year old car. |
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And no, the benchmark is not 7:59 either. It's the time Röhrl achieved, nobody is faster on street P cars. Would you like to compare that time with the Sportauto time? That wouldn't be reputable. Best regards, south |
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10-18-2007, 04:18 PM | #64 | |
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Where do you draw the line? BMW w/CUP tires (because they may be able to be ordered that way in other countries) and DCT vs. 911S w/ x51, 20mm susp., DSG and even PCCB's? Given that that configuration of P-car would be OEM, it really wouldn't be fair to the BMW, and would be cost prohibitive for most buyers. So, I don't know that one can really say what combo is truely fair. But, I do adamantly believe that the tires and testing procedures should be equal. In the end, I don't really care which car is faster, because it makes for better competition. I just get the same recurring feeling that many here don't give Porsche credit when it is due. I, personally, will give BMW credit, but they have to earn it. They did with the E46, now we will wait and see. |
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[QUOTE=swamp2;1559247]1. Which thread? Please add these or your other ones to our nice "library" of performance figures that include M3 and 911 times (and other competitors as well). So far the M3 vs. 911S battle does not look to be in favor of the P. Here is the first thread, add your figures copying and pasting the last update near the end.
2. What will you be driving soon?[/QUOTE) I was referring to the recent thread titled Automobil A test, posted today, by 'Gabri 343'. The M doesn't favor so well. I hope it's better than that. As far as what I will drive soon; look under my name and "drives". |
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10-18-2007, 04:33 PM | #66 | |
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Never said that it was a POS. It's still a great car. I am as guilty of overly zealous behavior as many others here. |
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