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At any rate, just enjoy what you have I'm sure most 335is drivers you meet will give you a giant thumbs up and wish to trade rides with you, if only for the day.
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I have a Z4 35i with DCT, and I prefer driving it around town than the M3. My M3 is low (actually I think the Z4 is lower, but for some reason the M scrapes more often...), I don't have tire warranty so I need to be careful with potholes, I have to keep looking around for cops.... but all that aside, the DCT Software in the Z4 is much smoother at lower RPMs than the M3 DCT. You don't hear the clunk noise of the gears changing, the D shifts are smoother (though not as precise IMO), and the 300lbs of torque is perfect. I really do love the N54 engine as a DD; but I personally dislike it on the track. I've tracked my Z4s, and although they do handle well, the engine simply doesn't like to rev high. Maybe I'm just used to being able to keep my RPMs steady at high rpms with my S65... I never really tracked a N54 prior to tracking with the S65, so I wonder how i would feel if I had never tracked a S65.... To this day I regret not tracking my 335i. My Z4s both have had heat issues, but they've all been stock. My 335i had full bolt ons (minus meth), and I don't think it would have had the same heat issues...though it was an e93 as well... the link to my e93 is in my sig for anyone who's interested in checking it out Also, the price difference between a 335iS and a M3, similarly optioned, is I think about $10k, give or take. Loaded iS should be about 68-72k, while a loaded M3 can be about 82-85k (excluding indiv options, I'm referring to e93s as that's what I researched when I was getting a car last year) I remember the iS I wanted was about 69k, while my M3 is priced at 84k. So there's quite a bit of difference. I lease, so the MF and residual played a much bigger part than the MSRP, but nonetheless, there is a relatively decent price difference between the two. I personally like the iS a lot. I wish they didn't have a regular 335i and just made the iS standard... but hey I'm not really in the business of selling cars, so what do I know?
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12-27-2011, 07:08 PM | #26 |
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Both the 335is and 135i get the exact same DCT as the M3. All made by getrag and all 7 speed and all rev match (<-- answering an earlier question)
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12-27-2011, 07:24 PM | #27 |
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The dct in the 335/135 does not shift as fast a the dct in the m3 and does not have the same ferocity in its shifts either. Also similar to pdk in the Porsche the dct in non m models can be shifted into park and the car lurches forward from a stop when you let go of the brake. It's still a great transmission but it's more tame more like an auto than what we are used to in the m3.
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12-27-2011, 07:37 PM | #28 |
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Really does not matter how "close" in performance these inferior cars come because at the end of the day 90 percent of M buyers want exclusivity. Other than california where lambos are common, the M cars are a relatively rare site. I live in phoenix and all the uber wealthy areas and hot spots still do not commonly have M cars. Not saying I do not see them often but by no means are they common v. the 335's are literally plastered across the city.
People want the looks and the exclusivity even if they are totally naive to the fact a lesser car is just as fast or potentially faster. However I think bmw may lose the 10 percent of m3 drivers who bought the car for the raw attributes and race-car feel. Something about all the noise and brutal acceleration howl that is worth 200 hp in my eyes. Once the m3 or any M becomes a totally quiet turbo comfort car, the rawness is lost and the buyers might as well get a "lesser" model since it feels virtually the same as the ms of the future |
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12-27-2011, 07:52 PM | #29 | |
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Also remember, in the M, you get S1-S6, and D1-D5. While in the Z4, there's only normal, sport, sport+ Sport and Sport+ are the same shift speed (from member z4z4z4) The M-DCT has a rev limit of 9k/min, with a max of 442 ft lbs torque (600nm).... strange since I've seen M-DCT S/C M3s hit higher numbers (I think) Strangely though, I remember when I was researching the Getrag DCT, I found that the Z4 had a max of mdi 400 tq, while the M3 had more...but I guess I must be remembering it wrong... Source: DCTFacts, bimmerpost, etc. http://www.dctfacts.com/archive/2009...trags-dct.aspx
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my understanding is that they are very differant units and that the 335is DCT is not adjustable, or not to the degree that is available in teh M3. That is what my local dealership told me anyway.
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12-27-2011, 10:11 PM | #32 | |
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I hope an intrepid 1M owner does a DCT conversion. That would be epic to see.
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12-27-2011, 11:34 PM | #33 | |
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So the thing they have in common is that they are both DCT, but some hardware and software seems to be different in the two......BMW has not discussed the difference in any OFFICIAL literature that I know of, but if someone has such literature PLEASE SHARE!!!! Cheers, e46e92
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Also remember, in the M, you get S1-S6, and D1-D5. While in the Z4, there's only normal, sport, sport Sport and Sport are the same shift speed (from member z4z4z4) [IMG]http://e89.zpost.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=622286 |
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12-28-2011, 12:55 AM | #36 |
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The Bugatti's transmission is made by Ricardo, not Getrag.
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No worries, sir. With a max rating of ~450 ft./lbs of torque for the Getrag unit, the Veyron would need three of them to handle all that power!
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That's not rev matching....
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According to REAL OEM my Z4 DCT part number is 28007585538 Replacement, dual-clutch transmission Further More they list a 2009 M3 DCT as 28007842585 Replacement, dual-clutch transmission Both list the transmission as GS7D36SG, BUT they are indeed very different. How exactly I'm not sure. REALOEM also list the mechantronic unit as identical part numbers. In regards to the "dual clutch / drive" almost all the part numbers are the same with the exception of 4 snap rings / seals. The oil pan assembly are identical. The only substantial difference I see is the output shaft being different, which of course makes sense. My question is the obvious, can I use my z4 DCT with my S65 motor? are the bell housings the same? will it bolt up?
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