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04-10-2013, 12:53 PM | #1 |
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Sore subject - DSC off
Yes, I know it's been discussed many times, but you can't discuss safety too many times, especially with visual evidence of how good DSC/ESP is.
So for those who regularly drive on the road (not track) with DSC off and feel that that is the only way to learn about the car and be a better driver (or believe we have got by for decades with powerful cars before such systems existed) - please leave that for a quiet/familiar road or track - because if Tiff Needell and Steve Sutcliffe cannot beat/match DSC/ESP in an emergency situation (at regular speeds) where sudden manoeuvres are required, then almost everyone can't too. Last edited by mlhj83; 04-10-2013 at 01:09 PM.. |
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Fantastic videos and suggestion! Safety (especially on public roads) first!!!
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04-10-2013, 03:39 PM | #3 |
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He is driving a car way quicker then then a m3 ,But you have to consider an everyday situation, driving to the grocery store with dsc off isn't gonna throw the car into a reverse spin
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04-10-2013, 03:45 PM | #4 | |
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Also, why would you need to turn DSC off on the way to a grocery store? Unless of course it's a quiet back road that you are familiar with. The videos are purely there to illustrate how top notch drivers can't beat DSC/ESP at regular speeds, which clearly means that the average driver or even the enthusiast/track day warrior should be weary of driving with DSC off on public roads when there are other cars or pedestrians around. As no matter how skilled you are, you cannot foresee and compensate for every situation in an uncontrolled environment. |
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04-10-2013, 03:55 PM | #5 |
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Why can't I drive with the dsc off? ^ it's not a death trap, it just simply turns everything off. It's exciting. Maybe when I drive the store I like to let the wheels spin a little bit. You are right about the 75 mph thing, I meant that as the systems of that car will be better than an m3 to deal with that situation
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04-10-2013, 04:49 PM | #8 | |
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There is good reason why despite the rise in vehicle population in developed countries, collision rates have generally not gone in the same direction, despite increasingly powerful average cars - engineering and stability systems have a lot to do with it. Last edited by mlhj83; 04-10-2013 at 05:14 PM.. |
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04-10-2013, 06:26 PM | #9 |
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Moral of the story - if you turn off all the safety mechanisms and wreck your car because you thought you were a better driver than you actually are, it was probably preventable by leaving things alone, and the wreck is your own damn fault.
People used to bitch and moan about ABS the same way. Guessing none of you folks are looking for ways to disable ABS. |
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04-10-2013, 09:40 PM | #13 |
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Just took my baby for a nice drive with DSC off....of course there were no cars around when I did it...a lot of fun
Thanks for posting the video!!! I would definitely leave it on in everyday scenario. |
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04-10-2013, 09:40 PM | #14 |
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i would like to see that. im impressed with how much safer cars are than 20 years ago.
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04-11-2013, 03:01 AM | #15 |
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Back in the day none of the 911s or 911 turbos I owned had ABS or any form of stability control...so you had to drive within the abilities of the car and your ability to keep it out of the scenery. You drove from the first day with "DSC off", you adapted your driving accordingly and you slowly learnt what you could get away with.
While any experienced driver could drive the M3 safely with the DSC off given enough wheel time, the problem arises when a less experienced driver decides to give it a go and randomly switches off the DSC to have some fun. |
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04-11-2013, 05:02 AM | #17 |
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DSC is an amazing advancement in cars today. Good vid. It's smart to keep it on in our cars today given the power they pull. DSC is there to rectify a panic maneuver that any driver (pro or not) may have little to no chance in correcting (as seen in 70 mph swerving video...). If you want to turn DSC completely off, save it for the track.
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I don't drive with DSC off...I can feel just how much work it is doing even when the light isn't flashing...but I do using M mode when the temps are warm and the roads are dry. |
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04-11-2013, 08:34 AM | #20 | |
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A prius, camry, civic, accord, kia, etc is going to have a far far less possibility of losing control when you stomp the gas compared to a E9X M3 with the DSC off. If you have the technology, USE IT and save the DSC off for the track or a controlled environment. You really never know when that DSC will come in handy. An emergency cam come up anytime, even when driving to the grocery store. Here is something I posted 3 years ago............ http://www.m3forum.net/m3forum/showthread.php?t=342439 Last edited by ///M///; 04-11-2013 at 08:46 AM.. |
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