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As I said, this surprises me - but it appears to be that the giant CTS-V is comfortably quicker in the twisties than the less giant M3. As a by the way, this isn't a putdown of the M3, because I am dead sure that it'll bring more smiles per mile on those early-Sunday-morning forays into the twisties than the Cadillac will - but DAMN!, that Caddy is fast and very, very luxurious as well. Thumbs up for GM. Edit: Oops! You're right about Heinricy being the equivalent of Stuck or Rohrl. Sorry. Last edited by bruce.augenstein@comcast.; 10-30-2009 at 12:23 PM.. Reason: Spelling |
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What you say might be the case if the car was piloted perfectly by a robot that knew the precise optimal inputs to give the car for the theoretically maximum track time, taking into account all factors such as environment, the car's vitals, etc. But humans - even great drivers - make small mistakes. And sometimes the traction control - in its effort to correct those mistakes - costs too much time. |
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10-30-2009, 12:16 PM | #116 |
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I can't say that I agree with you Koesel. I think RJ is closer to correct. Competititive driving DSC settings that now come on many performance cars (such as the BMW version, MDM) allow quite a bit of slippage. Anything beyond that, and you're losing control and time.
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10-30-2009, 12:27 PM | #117 |
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Good stuff, awesome job!
I did some 1st gear pulls with a 556HP CTSV recently, surprisingly they were very close.
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That is, this corner only leads to the next one, but the next one exits to a straight. Under those circumstances, this corner is a throw-away, and the next one is important. The on board electronic nannies can't know about that (yet). Capiche? Bruce |
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10-30-2009, 12:40 PM | #120 |
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Here's my take. On such a short run (no endurance), I personally think age is not a factor at all. We're not talking reaction times like if a person jumps in front of you at night. They know where every curve is, so they don't have to anticipate anything. And even an 80-yr-old has the strenght to turn a power steering, push a power brake, etc. as effectively as the best of us IMO. So yes, experience trumps age all day long here.
I think it's not unexpected for a car with A TON more power (and even more torque), and a clearly superior power/weight ratio to lose on a track cleverly chosen to favor power over handling. I'm sure a more technical track would have brought more surprises. This is the same crap as Ford's supposedly 'unbiased' NA V8 challenge at freaking 12K' of altitude with an FI V6 engine. And even then, the heavy BMW 550i kicked its a$$. Good day gang. |
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^^^
Another good point Bruce. I'll also add that even RJ admitted he's had one occasion where he had to disengage DSC. I guess you could driver around the whole track in MDM and switch it off on certain turns, but is it worth the distraction? |
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Mr. Lutz was the only CTS-V driver who chose an automatic for a reason.
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We're talking STREET CARS, not race cars. And if at all, you're talking a few seconds, not minutes. The difference for all practical purposes has to be negligible.
And more than the opinion of a 'professional' (who are you going to ask? A young guy?), a test with 2 drivers at the same level of experience (one young, another old) driving the same car on the same track/conditions for one lap would be the only evidence that would change my mind on a STREET CAR. With a race car, and/or endurance in the equation is a no brainer, of course. Take care. |
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Yes, I know. You're probably right. It's just kind of an inside joke around here.
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However, Mr. Cooper also beat 2 other CTS-V by 1 and 3 secs...and lost two others by 1 and 1.5 secs... http://cadillac.gmblogs.com/wp-conte...ge-Results.jpg Clearly a drivers race... I personally am proud of be Mr. Cooper and the M3... Too bad there won't be a CTS-V after this generation...so this was a one of event
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I have never wanted to drive a Cadillac so bad like I want to drive the CTS-V now! Lets all be honest, for the kind of money you shell for these uber sedans, CTS-V got value and class in aces. Never mind I love BMW, the CTS-V is one hell of a car, that much I admit.
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Obviously, science is not your career path.
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