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      10-08-2007, 12:20 PM   #177
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No disrespect intended, but if you had experience with large companies at the middle management level or above, you would not have the same opinion.

Reputation is critical to pretty much any large company, and they would not want to risk the public embarrassment that would come from a public lie or misrepresentation. That kind of thing has an absolutely direct effect on profits - and not just for the near term.

I'm not saying it can't happen, just that it's very improbable.

As for laptime comparisions, same driver is no big deal when you consider weather and track conditions. I personally think Sportauto times are worth something, but also would like to know what the car is really capable of, and you can be sure the various factories ain't done with the 'Ring until they think they've gotten pretty much everything out of the car.

I can get "best times" elsewhere, but it would be nice to see them here for convenience, especially since the zero-to times quote more than one source.

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you can pretend you are some big hotshot but comparing factory times with other times are utterly pointless. No one can profe that the factory did it or not so they have nothing to lose to exaggerate their numbers.
Same driver is crucial and there is no excuses to dis it.
Unfortuanly people/fans will use the laptime that is the best for their favorite car.
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      10-08-2007, 12:25 PM   #178
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BMW Canada's website stated 8:12.

Gerhard Richter from BMW M said something like "I were 3 seconds quicker than on the M5" and magazines started to calculate based on the Sportauto M5 time, result is 8:10. Don't know if that can be called official? Probably...

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there is a reason why BMW took the laptime away from the website and if someone erase it, then its not an official time anymore.
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      10-08-2007, 12:55 PM   #179
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No disrespect intended, but if you had experience with large companies at the middle management level or above, you would not have the same opinion.

Reputation is critical to pretty much any large company, and they would not want to risk the public embarrassment that would come from a public lie or misrepresentation. That kind of thing has an absolutely direct effect on profits - and not just for the near term.

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I would caveat that this is for easily verifiable information. Drug companies maximize profits by suppressing negative data for as long as they can -- ie study 1 says drug works, study 2 says it causes extreme flatulence and doesn't work all that well, we never hear about study 2. Usually the profits from a successful drug will outweigh R&D costs & costs of the eventual class-action settlement when everybody who takes the drug gets flatulence and then they all sue.

This is why you hear all the time about design flaws of various devices, etc. that were discovered during testing but never dealt with until the sample size when sold to consumers reached a point where it was obvious there was a flaw.
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      10-09-2007, 10:29 PM   #180
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you can pretend you are some big hotshot but comparing factory times with other times are utterly pointless. No one can profe that the factory did it or not so they have nothing to lose to exaggerate their numbers.
Same driver is crucial and there is no excuses to dis it.
Unfortuanly people/fans will use the laptime that is the best for their favorite car.
I was only in middle management (now retired), but you don't have to go very high to realize how important reputation is.

There will always be witnesses at the 'Ring.

Same driver is fine (and of course I never put that down), but if you want to find out what an ultimate (or close to ultimate) performance at the 'Ring is, having Sportauto do it just won't cut it, for reasons already mentioned.

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      10-09-2007, 10:35 PM   #181
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I would caveat that this is for easily verifiable information. Drug companies maximize profits by suppressing negative data for as long as they can -- ie study 1 says drug works, study 2 says it causes extreme flatulence and doesn't work all that well, we never hear about study 2. Usually the profits from a successful drug will outweigh R&D costs & costs of the eventual class-action settlement when everybody who takes the drug gets flatulence and then they all sue.

This is why you hear all the time about design flaws of various devices, etc. that were discovered during testing but never dealt with until the sample size when sold to consumers reached a point where it was obvious there was a flaw.
I take your point, but 'Ring times are pretty easy to verify, inasmuch as there are people around. Note how the 8:03s came out the back door, so to speak - and quickly.

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      10-10-2007, 12:55 AM   #182
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I was only in middle management (now retired), but you don't have to go very high to realize how important reputation is.

There will always be witnesses at the 'Ring.

Same driver is fine (and of course I never put that down), but if you want to find out what an ultimate (or close to ultimate) performance at the 'Ring is, having Sportauto do it just won't cut it, for reasons already mentioned.

Bruce
Let me repeat myself I do not trust factory times. No one can prove what they did or not did.
Sportauto is the only way to go if you want to compare laptimes with other cars, reasons already mentioned.
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      10-10-2007, 09:28 AM   #183
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Let me repeat myself I do not trust factory times. No one can prove what they did or not did.
Sportauto is the only way to go if you want to compare laptimes with other cars, reasons already mentioned.
Obviously, Sportautos times are not comparable, but of course, they're not without value.

You seem to have an either/or attitude, which is unfortunate.

In any event, we'll agree to disagree, I guess..

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      10-18-2007, 04:37 PM   #184
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More performance fiqures

August 2005, Road and Track 997S 0-60 3.9 seconds.
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      10-18-2007, 08:45 PM   #185
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Added Automobile A times, etc.

0 ~ 60mph time:
  • Porsche 997S: 3.9s (R&T)
  • Audi RS4: 4.3s (R&T)
  • BMW E92 M3: 4.4s (C&D)
  • 997S: 4.6s (AutoCar)
  • BMW E92 M3: 4.7s (AutoCar)
  • Audi S5: 4.9s (Audi)
0 ~ 100 km/h time:
  • BMW E92 M3: 4.5s (AUTO--Italian Mag)
  • Audi RS4: 4.6s (Automobil A)
  • BMW E92 M3: 4.8s (BMW)
  • BMW E92 M3: 4.8s (Sportauto)
  • BMW E92 M3: 4.8s (Powercar Germany)
  • BMW E92 M3: 4.8s (Dutch Mag - BMW Fanatics Magazine)
  • Porsche 997S: 4.8s (Automobil A)
  • BMW E92 M3: 5.1s (Automobil A (noted traction problems))
  • Audi RS4: 5.1s (Dutch Mag - BMW Fanatics Magazine)
  • Audi S5: 5.1s (Audi)
0 ~ 200 km/h time:
  • Mercedes C63 AMG Black Series: 14.6s
  • BMW E92 M3: 15.2s (Powercar Germany)
  • BMW E92 M3: 15.7s (Autobild&Sportatuo)
  • BMW E92 M3: 15.8s (BMW)
  • Audi RS4: 15.8s (Automobil A)
  • BMW E92 M3: 16.0s (Dutch Mag - BMW Fanatics Magazine)
  • Porsche 997S: 16.2s (Automobil A)
  • BMW E92 M3: 16.7s (AM&S)
  • BMW E92 M3: 16.7s (Automobil A (noted traction problems))
  • Audi RS4: 17.2s (Dutch Mag - BMW Fanatics Magazine)
0 ~ 1000m time:
  • BMW E92 M3: 22.8s (AUTO--Italian Mag.)
  • 997S: 23.4s (AutoCar)
  • BMW E92 M3: 23.3s (BMW?)
1/4 mile time and speed:
  • Audi R8: 12.7 @ 111 mph (R&T)
  • Audi RS4: 12.8 @ 109 mph (R&T)
  • BMW E92 M3: 12.9 @ 111 mph (C&D)
  • Porsche 997S: 13.0 @ 113 mph (Automobile A)
  • Audi RS4: 13.1 @ 111.5 mph (AutoCar)
  • BMW E92 M3: 13.3 @ 112 mph (AutoCar)
  • BMW E92 M3: 13.3 @ 111 mph (Automobile A (noted traction problems))
60 mph ~ 0 braking time:
  • BMW E92 M3: 2.6s (AutoCar)
  • 997S: 2.9s (AutoCar)
100 km/h ~ 0 braking distance:
  • BMW E92 M3: 33.4m/34m (Autobild)
  • BMW E92 M3: 33.4m (AUTO--Italian Mag.)
  • BMW E92 M3: 33.8m (Dutch Mag - BMW Fanatics Magazine)
  • BMW E92 M3: 34m (BMW)
  • Audi R8: 34m (AUTO--Italian Mag.)
  • BMW E92 M3: 34.3m (Sportauto)
  • BMW E92 M3: 35.6m/34.9m (Powercar Germany)
  • Audi RS4: 36.4m (Dutch Mag - BMW Fanatics Magazine, Note: Optional Ceramic Brake Rotors)
  • BMW E92 M3: 37m (AM&S)
160 kph ~ 0 braking distance:
  • BMW E92 M3: 87.9m/89.4 (AUTO--Italian Mag)
200 kph ~ 0 braking distance:
  • Audi RS4: 141.2m (Dutch Mag - BMW Fanatics Magazine)
  • BMW E92 M3: 141.9m (Dutch Mag - BMW Fanatics Magazine)
  • Audi RS4: 148.1m (Dutch Mag - BMW Fanatics Magazine, Note: Optional Ceramic Brake Rotors)
Hockenheim time:
(all from Sportauto)
  • Audi R8: 1:12.7 UHP-P
  • Porsche 996 GT3: 1:13.2
  • BMW E46 CSL: 1:13.5 UHP-M
  • Mercedes Benz CLK 63 AMG Black: 1:13.8 UHP-P
  • BMW E92 M3: 1:14.3 (M Driver's Package) UHP-M
  • Porsche 997S: 1:14.3
  • BMW E60 M6: 1:14.4 UHP-P
  • Porsche 996 Turbo: 1:14.6
  • Ferarri 360 Modena: 1:15.1
  • Lotus Exige 240R: 1:15.4
  • Audi RS4: 1:15.4 UHP-P
  • Porsche Cayman S: 15.5
  • BMW E46 M3: 1:16.3
  • BMW E60 M5: 1:16.5
  • Porsche 997: 1:16.9
  • BMW 335i: 1.17.8
    Note: UHP=Ultra High Performance Tires, P=Pirelli - M=Michelin
Nurburgring Nordeschleife time:
(20.6 km, all from Sportauto)
  • 7:48 Porsche 997 GT3 UHP M
  • 7:49 Corvette Z06
  • 7:50 BMW E46 CSL UHP M
  • 7:52 Ford GT
  • 7:52 Lamborghini Gallardo E-gear
  • 7:52 Porsche 997 Turbo UHP P
  • 7:54 Porsche 996 GT3
  • 7:54 Porsche 997 Turbo
  • 7:55 Ferrari F430 F1 UHP
  • 7:56 Porsche 996 Turbo
  • 8:02 MB CLK 63 Black
  • 8:03 BMW E92 M3 UHP-M (provisional)
  • 8:03 Aston Martin V8 Vantage UHP-P
  • 8:04 Audi R8 UHP P
  • 8:05 Porsche 997S
  • 8:06 Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG
  • 8:09 BMW M6 UHP P
  • 8:09 Audi RS4 UHP P
  • 8:09 Ferarri 360 Modena
  • 8:13 BMW E60 M5
  • 8:13 Aston Martin V8 Vantage UHP
  • 8:15 Corvette C6
  • 8:22 BMW E46 M3
  • 8:25 Porsche Cayman S
  • 8:26 BMW 335i
  • 8:32 Lotus Exige UHP
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  • Porsche 997 not tested
  • BMW E92 M3 M-DCT?
    Note: UHP=Ultra High Performance Tires, P=Pirelli - M=Michelin
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      10-19-2007, 12:03 PM   #186
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What can be expected from lightly modded 335xi

if anyone is interested

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=90505

i will be keeping an eye out when the M3 sedan comes out
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      10-19-2007, 04:05 PM   #187
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August 2005, Road and Track 997S 0-60 3.9 seconds.
do you have a link to a scan of that article? I couldn't find the article you speak of, but i did find this road and track article from August 2004, where they tested the 2005 997 Carrera S and got a 0-100km/h of 4.8 seconds: link to article

correction, I found another article from road and track that states a 4.4 0-60mph time (0-60mph is slightly shorter than 0-100km/h). that article can be found here: article
hmm in that same article they make mention that the 997 911 Carrera S pulled a 12.8@110.2mph in the 1/4 mile.
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      10-19-2007, 04:35 PM   #188
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do you have a link to a scan of that article? I couldn't find the article you speak of, but i did find this road and track article from August 2004, where they tested the 2005 997 Carrera S and got a 0-100km/h of 4.8 seconds: link to article

correction, I found another article from road and track that states a 4.4 0-60mph time (0-60mph is slightly shorter than 0-100km/h). that article can be found here: article
hmm in that same article they make mention that the 997 911 Carrera S pulled a 12.8@110.2mph in the 1/4 mile.
Feel free (please do!) to correct and edit away on the information there. If you have actual copies of those mags and the numbers go for it! devo is not above reproach nor correction in his zeal for P cars.

BTW the 3.9 number sounded a bit too good to be true...
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      10-19-2007, 05:07 PM   #189
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Feel free (please do!) to correct and edit away on the information there. If you have actual copies of those mags and the numbers go for it! devo is not above reproach nor correction in his zeal for P cars.

BTW the 3.9 number sounded a bit too good to be true...
I may have recorded the source of the info. incorrectly, but, nonetheless, I know that the 911S ran a 3.9 sec. 0-60. In all fairness, you should delete it, if I was incorrect. I will try to find the source at another time. It could have been Motor Trend, but I can't recall right now. Sorry, I may love P-cars, but I don't want incorrect data listed.
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      10-19-2007, 05:26 PM   #190
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I found the article in Road and Track, dated 05-March-2005, the article was titled 'Best All Around Sports Car'. The Carrera S Coupe ran 3.9 secs. 0-60 and 12.3 in the quarter mile. They had previously tested another Carrera S and achieved slower times. It is what it is.
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      10-19-2007, 05:36 PM   #191
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I found the article in Road and Track, dated 05-March-2005, the article was titled 'Best All Around Sports Car'. The Carrera S Coupe ran 3.9 secs. 0-60 and 12.3 in the quarter mile. They had previously tested another Carrera S and achieved slower times. It is what it is.
not to sound like a prick, but can you scan or take a picture of the article? those numbers just seem way off from what they previously achieved with the same car and what i thought would be conceivable for it.
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      10-19-2007, 05:44 PM   #192
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not to sound like a prick, but can you scan or take a picture of the article? those numbers just seem way off from what they previously achieved with the same car and what i thought would be conceivable for it.
I found it on the Rennteam forum, dated Jan 2006. The originator of the post was 'Silverrules'. It was a comparison of numerous sports cars. The C6 vette placed 1st, the Boxster S second, and the 997S third, etc...

The terminal speed in the quarter mile was 114.8 mph.

I am unable to attach a link.

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      10-19-2007, 07:40 PM   #193
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I found it on the Rennteam forum, dated Jan 2006. The originator of the post was 'Silverrules'. It was a comparison of numerous sports cars. The C6 vette placed 1st, the Boxster S second, and the 997S third, etc...

The terminal speed in the quarter mile was 114.8 mph.

I am unable to attach a link.
well, i'm a little surprised but you are indeed right. check it out:
http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/d...data_panel.pdf
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....&page_number=8
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At the test track, the Carrera S posted some awesome acceleration numbers: zero to 60 mph in 3.9 sec. and 12.3 to the quarter (we got a 4.4 and 12.8, respectively, in a previous test). These numbers were so extraordinary that we took the car to MD Automotive in Westminster, California, to measure the Carrera S’s output on the dynamometer. No steroid controversy here, the car came away clean. The only explanation for the difference in acceleration times is that this particular engine had a proper break-in period (it had 5400 miles on the odometer as opposed to the 1200 miles on our previous test car).
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      10-19-2007, 09:24 PM   #194
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Thanks for finding it.

I will say that Porsche's really seem to come alive after 5000 or so miles; more so than other HP cars that I have owned.
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      10-19-2007, 10:13 PM   #195
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jworms: Do add the other 911 and/or 911S figures you have found. The 3.9 figure is clearly an outlier and should be balanced by more reasonable figures obtained by other publications. It is valuable to know about these outliers but not as valuable as knowing the distribution.
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      10-25-2007, 06:49 PM   #196
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Added IS-F figures 0-100mph and skidpad results

0 ~ 60mph time:
  • Porsche 997S: 3.9s (R&T)
  • Lexus IS-F: 4.2s (C&D)
  • Audi RS4: 4.3s (R&T)
  • BMW E92 M3: 4.4s (C&D)
  • 997S: 4.6s (AutoCar)
  • BMW E92 M3: 4.7s (AutoCar)
  • Audi S5: 4.9s (Audi)
0 ~ 100 km/h time:
  • BMW E92 M3: 4.5s (AUTO--Italian Mag)
  • Audi RS4: 4.6s (Automobil A)
  • BMW E92 M3: 4.8s (BMW)
  • BMW E92 M3: 4.8s (Sportauto)
  • BMW E92 M3: 4.8s (Powercar Germany)
  • BMW E92 M3: 4.8s (Dutch Mag - BMW Fanatics Magazine)
  • Porsche 997S: 4.8s (Automobil A)
  • BMW E92 M3: 5.1s (Automobil A (noted traction problems))
  • Audi RS4: 5.1s (Dutch Mag - BMW Fanatics Magazine)
  • Audi S5: 5.1s (Audi)
0 ~ 100 mph time:
  • Lexus IS-F: 9.8s (C&D)
  • BMW E92 M3: 10.2s (AMS) (160km/h?)
0 ~ 200 km/h time:
  • Mercedes C63 AMG Black Series: 14.6s
  • BMW E92 M3: 15.2s (Powercar Germany)
  • BMW E92 M3: 15.7s (Autobild&Sportatuo)
  • BMW E92 M3: 15.8s (BMW)
  • Audi RS4: 15.8s (Automobil A)
  • BMW E92 M3: 16.0s (Dutch Mag - BMW Fanatics Magazine)
  • Porsche 997S: 16.2s (Automobil A)
  • BMW E92 M3: 16.7s (AM&S)
  • BMW E92 M3: 16.7s (Automobil A (noted traction problems))
  • Audi RS4: 17.2s (Dutch Mag - BMW Fanatics Magazine)
0 ~ 1000m time:
  • BMW E92 M3: 22.8s (AUTO--Italian Mag.)
  • 997S: 23.4s (AutoCar)
  • BMW E92 M3: 23.3s (BMW?)
1/4 mile time and speed:
  • Lexus IS-F: 12.7s & 114 mph (C&D)
  • Audi R8: 12.7 @ 111 mph (R&T)
  • Audi RS4: 12.8 @ 109 mph (R&T)
  • BMW E92 M3: 12.9 @ 111 mph (C&D)
  • Porsche 997S: 13.0 @ 113 mph (Automobile A)
  • Audi RS4: 13.1 @ 111.5 mph (AutoCar)
  • BMW E92 M3: 13.3 @ 112 mph (AutoCar)
  • BMW E92 M3: 13.3 @ 111 mph (Automobile A (noted traction problems))
60 mph ~ 0 braking time:
  • BMW E92 M3: 2.6s (AutoCar)
  • 997S: 2.9s (AutoCar)
100 km/h ~ 0 braking distance:
  • BMW E92 M3: 33.4m/34m (Autobild)
  • BMW E92 M3: 33.4m (AUTO--Italian Mag.)
  • BMW E92 M3: 33.8m (Dutch Mag - BMW Fanatics Magazine)
  • BMW E92 M3: 34m (BMW)
  • Audi R8: 34m (AUTO--Italian Mag.)
  • BMW E92 M3: 34.3m (Sportauto)
  • BMW E92 M3: 35.6m/34.9m (Powercar Germany)
  • Audi RS4: 36.4m (Dutch Mag - BMW Fanatics Magazine, Note: Optional Ceramic Brake Rotors)
  • BMW E92 M3: 37m (AM&S)
160 kph ~ 0 braking distance:
  • BMW E92 M3: 87.9m/89.4 (AUTO--Italian Mag)
200 kph ~ 0 braking distance:
  • Audi RS4: 141.2m (Dutch Mag - BMW Fanatics Magazine)
  • BMW E92 M3: 141.9m (Dutch Mag - BMW Fanatics Magazine)
  • Audi RS4: 148.1m (Dutch Mag - BMW Fanatics Magazine, Note: Optional Ceramic Brake Rotors)
Skidpad 300ft (unless noted):
  • Audi R8: .98g (source needed)
  • Audi R8: .96g (Edmunds)
  • BMW E92 M3: .94 g (C&D)
  • Lexus IS-F: .92g (C&D)
  • Audi RS4: .85g (Yahoo)

Hockenheim time:
(all from Sportauto)
  • Audi R8: 1:12.7 UHP-P
  • Porsche 996 GT3: 1:13.2
  • BMW E46 CSL: 1:13.5 UHP-M
  • Mercedes Benz CLK 63 AMG Black: 1:13.8 UHP-P
  • BMW E92 M3: 1:14.3 (M Driver's Package) UHP-M
  • Porsche 997S: 1:14.3
  • BMW E60 M6: 1:14.4 UHP-P
  • Porsche 996 Turbo: 1:14.6
  • Ferarri 360 Modena: 1:15.1
  • Lotus Exige 240R: 1:15.4
  • Audi RS4: 1:15.4 UHP-P
  • Porsche Cayman S: 15.5
  • BMW E46 M3: 1:16.3
  • BMW E60 M5: 1:16.5
  • Porsche 997: 1:16.9
  • BMW 335i: 1.17.8
    Note: UHP=Ultra High Performance Tires, P=Pirelli - M=Michelin
Nurburgring Nordeschleife time:
(20.6 km, all from Sportauto)
  • 7:48 Porsche 997 GT3 UHP M
  • 7:49 Corvette Z06
  • 7:50 BMW E46 CSL UHP M
  • 7:52 Ford GT
  • 7:52 Lamborghini Gallardo E-gear
  • 7:52 Porsche 997 Turbo UHP P
  • 7:54 Porsche 996 GT3
  • 7:54 Porsche 997 Turbo
  • 7:55 Ferrari F430 F1 UHP
  • 7:56 Porsche 996 Turbo
  • 8:02 MB CLK 63 Black
  • 8:03 BMW E92 M3 UHP-M (provisional)
  • 8:03 Aston Martin V8 Vantage UHP-P
  • 8:04 Audi R8 UHP P
  • 8:05 Porsche 997S
  • 8:06 Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG
  • 8:09 BMW M6 UHP P
  • 8:09 Audi RS4 UHP P
  • 8:09 Ferarri 360 Modena
  • 8:13 BMW E60 M5
  • 8:13 Aston Martin V8 Vantage UHP
  • 8:15 Corvette C6
  • 8:22 BMW E46 M3
  • 8:25 Porsche Cayman S
  • 8:26 BMW 335i
  • 8:32 Lotus Exige UHP
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  • Porsche 997 not tested
  • BMW E92 M3 M-DCT?
    Note: UHP=Ultra High Performance Tires, P=Pirelli - M=Michelin
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      10-26-2007, 12:08 PM   #197
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997s doing 0-60 in 3.9 seconds soon we'll here the GT3 does 0-60 in 3.2!! that's insane. there is noway the 997s does 0-60 in 3.9 when the GT3 several times from several mags has been quoted as having 3.7 to 4.3 sec!! and it weighs less and has more power than the damn 997s!! and I'm a porsche fanboi!! GT3 RS is my dream car.

Devo that time is wrong and if you really a porsche fan you would know that deep down. the damn car has 355hp compared to a GT3 which has 409hp are you telling me that a car that is heavier and has less power can match the same times? Not trying to call you out just asking whether you believe in the laws of physics or not? The only people to post those times were road & track, again not a personal attack just that I ususally throw out funny times I read in Magazines like the M5 doing 0-60 in 4.4 the manual not even SMG!! I smell BS

this is all for the GT3
from wiki "The factory claims a top speed of 193 mph (311 km/h) and a 0-60 time of about 4 seconds"
from PorscheUSA 0-60 4 secs.
from Motortrend 3.7
from Edmunds 4.0
from supercars.net 4.1

997s
from edmunds 4.48
from porsche 4.6(manual)/ 5.0(tiptronic)
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      10-26-2007, 01:59 PM   #198
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0 ~ 60mph time:
  • Porsche 997S: 3.9s (R&T) *editorial-outlier
  • Lexus IS-F: 4.2s (C&D)
  • Audi RS4: 4.3s (R&T)
  • BMW E92 M3: 4.4s (C&D)
  • Porsche 997S: 4.5s (Edmunds)
  • 997S: 4.6s (AutoCar)
  • BMW E92 M3: 4.7s (AutoCar)
  • Audi S5: 4.9s (Audi)
0 ~ 100 km/h time:
  • BMW E92 M3: 4.5s (AUTO--Italian Mag)
  • Audi RS4: 4.6s (Automobil A)
  • Mercedes C63 AMG: 4.7s (AM&S)
  • BMW E92 M3: 4.8s (BMW)
  • BMW E92 M3: 4.8s (Sportauto)
  • BMW E92 M3: 4.8s (Powercar Germany)
  • BMW E92 M3: 4.8s (Dutch Mag - BMW Fanatics Magazine)
  • Porsche 997S: 4.8s (Automobil A)
  • BMW E92 M3: 4.9s (AM&S)
  • BMW E92 M3: 5.1s (Automobil A (noted traction problems))
  • Audi RS4: 5.1s (Dutch Mag - BMW Fanatics Magazine)
  • Audi S5: 5.1s (Audi)
0 ~ 100 mph time:
  • Lexus IS-F: 9.8s (C&D)
  • BMW E92 M3: 10.2s (AMS) (160km/h?)
  • Mercedes C63 AMG: 10.3 (160km/h) (AM&S)
  • BMW E92 M3: 10.6s (AM&S)
0 ~ 200 km/h time:
  • Mercedes C63 AMG Black Series: 14.6s
  • BMW E92 M3: 15.2s (Powercar Germany)
  • BMW E92 M3: 15.7s (Autobild&Sportatuo)
  • BMW E92 M3: 15.8s (BMW)
  • Audi RS4: 15.8s (Automobil A)
  • BMW E92 M3: 16.0s (Dutch Mag - BMW Fanatics Magazine)
  • Porsche 997S: 16.2s (Automobil A)
  • BMW E92 M3: 16.7s (AM&S)
  • BMW E92 M3: 16.7s (Automobil A (noted traction problems))
  • Audi RS4: 17.2s (Dutch Mag - BMW Fanatics Magazine)
0 ~ 1000m time:
  • BMW E92 M3: 22.8s (AUTO--Italian Mag.)
  • 997S: 23.4s (AutoCar)
  • BMW E92 M3: 23.3s (BMW?)
1/4 mile time and speed:
  • Lexus IS-F: 12.7s & 114 mph (C&D)
  • Audi R8: 12.7 @ 111 mph (R&T)
  • Audi RS4: 12.8 @ 109 mph (R&T)
  • BMW E92 M3: 12.9 @ 111 mph (C&D)
  • Porsche 997S: 13.0 @ 113 mph (Automobile A)
  • Audi RS4: 13.1 @ 111.5 mph (AutoCar)
  • BMW E92 M3: 13.3 @ 112 mph (AutoCar)
  • BMW E92 M3: 13.3 @ 111 mph (Automobile A (noted traction problems))
60 mph ~ 0 braking time:
  • BMW E92 M3: 2.6s (AutoCar)
  • 997S: 2.9s (AutoCar)
100 km/h ~ 0 braking distance:
  • BMW E92 M3: 33.4m/34m (Autobild)
  • BMW E92 M3: 33.4m (AUTO--Italian Mag.)
  • BMW E92 M3: 33.8m (Dutch Mag - BMW Fanatics Magazine)
  • BMW E92 M3: 34m (BMW)
  • Audi R8: 34m (AUTO--Italian Mag.)
  • BMW E92 M3: 34.3m (Sportauto)
  • BMW E92 M3: 35.6m/34.9m (Powercar Germany)
  • Mercedes C63 AMG: 36m (AM&S)
  • Audi RS4: 36.4m (Dutch Mag - BMW Fanatics Magazine, Note: Optional Ceramic Brake Rotors)
  • BMW E92 M3: 37m (AM&S)
160 kph ~ 0 braking distance:
  • BMW E92 M3: 87.9m/89.4 (AUTO--Italian Mag)
200 kph ~ 0 braking distance:
  • Audi RS4: 141.2m (Dutch Mag - BMW Fanatics Magazine)
  • BMW E92 M3: 141.9m (Dutch Mag - BMW Fanatics Magazine)
  • Audi RS4: 148.1m (Dutch Mag - BMW Fanatics Magazine, Note: Optional Ceramic Brake Rotors)
Skidpad 300ft (unless noted):
  • Audi R8: .98g (source needed)
  • Audi R8: .96g (Edmunds)
  • BMW E92 M3: .94 g (C&D)
  • Lexus IS-F: .92g (C&D)
  • Audi RS4: .85g (Yahoo)
Hockenheim time:
(all from Sportauto)
  • Audi R8: 1:12.7 UHP-P
  • Porsche 996 GT3: 1:13.2
  • BMW E46 CSL: 1:13.5 UHP-M
  • Mercedes Benz CLK 63 AMG Black: 1:13.8 UHP-P
  • BMW E92 M3: 1:14.3 (M Driver's Package) UHP-M
  • Porsche 997S: 1:14.3
  • BMW E60 M6: 1:14.4 UHP-P
  • Porsche 996 Turbo: 1:14.6
  • Ferarri 360 Modena: 1:15.1
  • Lotus Exige 240R: 1:15.4
  • Audi RS4: 1:15.4 UHP-P
  • Porsche Cayman S: 15.5
  • BMW E46 M3: 1:16.3
  • BMW E60 M5: 1:16.5
  • Porsche 997: 1:16.9
  • BMW 335i: 1.17.8
    Note: UHP=Ultra High Performance Tires, P=Pirelli - M=Michelin
Nurburgring Nordeschleife time:
(20.6 km, all from Sportauto)
  • 7:48 Porsche 997 GT3 UHP M
  • 7:49 Corvette Z06
  • 7:50 BMW E46 CSL UHP M
  • 7:52 Ford GT
  • 7:52 Lamborghini Gallardo E-gear
  • 7:52 Porsche 997 Turbo UHP P
  • 7:54 Porsche 996 GT3
  • 7:54 Porsche 997 Turbo
  • 7:55 Ferrari F430 F1 UHP
  • 7:56 Porsche 996 Turbo
  • 8:02 MB CLK 63 Black
  • 8:03 BMW E92 M3 UHP-M (provisional)
  • 8:03 Aston Martin V8 Vantage UHP-P
  • 8:04 Audi R8 UHP P
  • 8:05 Porsche 997S
  • 8:06 Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG
  • 8:09 BMW M6 UHP P
  • 8:09 Audi RS4 UHP P
  • 8:09 Ferarri 360 Modena
  • 8:13 BMW E60 M5
  • 8:13 Aston Martin V8 Vantage UHP
  • 8:15 Corvette C6
  • 8:22 BMW E46 M3
  • 8:25 Porsche Cayman S
  • 8:26 BMW 335i
  • 8:32 Lotus Exige UHP
    -
  • Porsche 997 not tested
  • BMW E92 M3 M-DCT?
    Note: UHP=Ultra High Performance Tires, P=Pirelli - M=Michelin
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