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oafish comments like this make me question the "collective" intellect, particularly if the collective is compromised of people like you.
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I won't get into another pissing contest with you, Swamp. I've made my point, some agree, some won't. I will say your lack of knowledge on the Vishnu system, saying it's twice as expensive as it really is, kind of makes my point for me. The price you quoted is for V1 with Vishnu cat back exhaust. V2 is making that power with tuning alone, and still costs $1300.
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Where did the 67k base msrp come from? Stop fudging the figures. I won't be too surprised if someone says the e92 m3 msrp will be 70k starting.
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If the M3 turns out to be $60K well equipped, then my argument has less merit. I don't think $67k is fudging anything against the M3, in fact my estimate is probably fudging to the M3's favor. Or perhaps I misread and you agree that $67K is a little low. |
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07-15-2007, 05:04 PM | #33 | |
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??? PROcede ($1300) Intercooler($1100) LSD ($1700) Exhaust ($1500) Total= $5,600 And you still have another $9 ~ $12,000 to spend. There is nothing special about making the 335 outpeform the new M3, it will happen. The question is, do you buy the M3 for all the tech-gizmos or for a better driving experience...?? |
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07-15-2007, 05:12 PM | #34 | |
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yeah, stock 335 suspension brakes and wheels are just as good as an M3............... in any case, you're a joker if you think you're better off buying a cheaper car and throwing parts at it. the 335 is a nice ride, but it is what it is, no matter how much money you throw down the tank on aftermarket items |
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Ward has a point, and good luck trying to sell the heavily modded 335. Most people would not want to pay extra for all the work thats been done, and it would be even more of a pain for you to part it out (perhaps costly).
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The 335 with those couple mods will street handle the M3. We are not talking about "tracking" or compitition. Becuase the 3 would need after market suspension..etc. But, the 335 with just as little as $1300 will accelerate as fast as the new M3. It will also be more "drivable" due to the prodigeous amount of low-end torque. Most people don't take turn at 120mph so the delta between the 335 and the M3 is minimal. As will will see when some does a comparo between the 2. MotoTrend did a huge thoughout comparison among the best handling cars. (911, Cayman S, Lotus, 335, EVo, ..etc.) If you read into the article and study the detailed graphes and test done you will see that the 335 would be alot higher if it came with an LSD and bigger tires. But thats taking it to the "nth" degree. Only a small portion of the populous has ever been there or drive there regularilly. It's most evendent on the weekend at tracks, where only a well seeasoned driver can make use of the added 1 ~ 5% potential. Thats hardly a hurdle to overcome(LSD). As for point blank acceleration... yeah the 335 can equal or surpass the new M with 1 paycheck. My point wasn't that your buying a better car or that it intrinsic karma is better. I'm saying you guys are dilusional if you don't think a 335 can equal 95% of the M's over-all performance matrix in all categories (even surpass them) for alot less....!! -Garrett |
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07-15-2007, 05:35 PM | #38 | |
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As for me, I have to decide if the new electronically controlled suspension is a gimmick and offers real value over whats offered on a 335. I look at it this way. We all know what the 335 is, so what more does the M3 offer..? Faster acceleration..? Better breaking..? Better cornering..? I just wish Porsche would've put the N54 into their Cayman and have a better audio system. -Garrett |
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m3 fanbois are douchetards
335 fanbois are douchetards 335 fanbois have convinced themselves their cars can beat m3s m3 fanbois have convinced themselves their cars can time travel out of the box, the m3 is [obviously] a better car, and the 335 is the next best non-M car in BMWs line up and has great aftermarket/tuner appeal. Can you make a 335 a "better" car. Depends; Faster, sure. Better handling, possibly. Retaining the reliability, resale potential, and warranty, probably not. But this is true of any car. |
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There are "some" 335i owners / fanboys that think the 335i can stomp the ///M3. There are "some" ///M3 future owners / fanboys that think the 335i is nothing to worry about because the ///M3 is just that damn good.
I think the most logical and rational argument for the ///M3 is that you can get that performance, while still retaining your warranty. To some people, that is more important. For everyone out there, there will always be a car that is faster or better at something than the car you have. Some cars corner better than others. Some accelerate better. Some are fast with mods. Some are beat up rustbuckets with big engine swaps. The key is to ignore the BS, be happy with whatever car decision is best for you, and stop worrying about the size of your penis. The new ///M3 hasn't been track tested yet, and there also hasn't been a head-to-head in all situations between a modded 335i and the new ///M3. Until that happens, we don't know anything for sure. And even when we do know for sure, be informed about what you buy, and make the right decision for you.
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