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06-20-2007, 11:43 AM | #23 |
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I read the article too, I'm not impressed by the TQ the engine is producing, rather low IMO. I'm sure its fun to rag out to the high rpm's but the TQ is pretty shitty.
The 335 stock has more TQ and tuned has WAY more TQ and similar HP for much less $$. I seriously doubt most purchasers will see the 7000rpm+ range in daily driving when you actually need to get this car moving.........you know to merge? I am by no means saying the M3 is not a bad ass car, it is, but the engine is too little too late IMO.
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06-20-2007, 11:56 AM | #24 | |
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I'm not sure if there are any dynos out yet but I would guess that stock for stock peak torque will be pretty similar with the m3 having much more on tap above 5 thousand rpms and much less below 3k. For most people(myself included, why I'm purchasing a 335) the 3.0tt may be a better daily driver motor; but for the people who the m3 is targeted for(hard core enthusiasts/track) all that power in the upper rev range is going to make it a much better option. |
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06-20-2007, 12:08 PM | #25 |
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The M will be much more track 'prepped' (obviously). Pragmatically speaking the 335 will do almost everything the M will up to its (335) limit. The M has the superlatives.
GM is coming out with superb powerplants...and I underscore powerplants. Their package isn't as nice (obviously) but 505hp certainly says a good bit and IMHO nothing sounds as good as a pushrod 8 wailing.:rocks: |
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Well, let me clarify by saying that I opted for a 24 month lease on my 335i, because I plan on purchasing the new M3.
I personally enjoy high red lines, when I'm driving on pedestrian road ways, because frankly, it's fun. However, again, NO ONE that is a serious track devotee is going to purchase an M3 for the track. I'm sure there will be owners that use their cars for dual purpose, but not that often. The point is that the car is not suited for the track, it's too heavy. So, while the engine is a gem, it's in the wrong shell and there's no point in discussing it's track orientation. |
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We should keep in mind the design criteria that BMW governs itself by. First and foremost is engine displacement, big taxes for big displacements. Everyone thought the M5 / M7 V10 had too little torque when when the specs were first released but the quiet little revolution that BMW is leading is the drivetrain innovation.
The M3 will be doing just fine......it is going to shame the RS4 in a straight line and around the track.
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However, my point is the engine specs are disappointing from all perspectives, circuit driving included, IMHO. |
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Sure but we are talking about straightline performance here. The M3 (using the M6 as a proxy) will do just fine against the competition in both straightline and curvy stuff.
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Against a 480HP GT-R a chip away from 550+? Against the 580HP from the Audi RS5/6? Are you even aware of what is coming down the pipe from anyone BUT M? Did you know the official BMW Nordshliefe time (8:13) is 4 seconds slower than an RS4 with R-comps, and way slower than that of the GT-R (promised to be faster than a 911 TT)? |
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Will be a hot car if it ever shows up here, but will probably be more in the $80K realm. And maybe it's just me, but I get tired of hearing about this imminent arrival of the Skyline. Latest word is that the RS5 is going to use an NA V8. Also, the M3 and RS6 do not compete. Quote:
I didn't know there was an official Nordschliefe time for the E92 M3. I believe the only time posted for the new M3 is very preliminary and unofficial. |
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06-20-2007, 04:32 PM | #34 |
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I've seen rumors that it might offer the supercharged version of the Ls7 seen in the current Z06s. That kinda surprises me as the base engine would be more than enough to have it beat most of it's competition.
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The S54 found in the E46 M3 was special and is still a great powerplant...I'm not so impressed with the new M3 engine. The new M3 will carry a loftier price than the E46 and will be outgunned by most of the competition. Why do you think BMW rates the N54 at 300hp instead of where it really should be which is around 333hp or so? I love my E46 M3 but I would have rather seen BMW keep the S54 and work on putting the M on a diet. I will be more than happy to beat down E90 M3 owners in my 'lowly' 335.
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Only twice has GM made cars that were faster than the BASE corvette. That was with the TT Trans Am in 1989 and the GNX in the 80s. Both these cars were limited production. The CTS-V will have at most 500 hp, there's no way they'd make it even close to a z06.
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"Beat down" E90 M3 owners in your 335. OMG get real. Maybe in a drag only, maybe to 60 or 100 with a Vishnu tune that is not even available yet. You are in fantasy land on this last statement. |
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OMG <--- or a link. Whats the point of discussing NOTHING...? |
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I totally agree with this...which is why I picked up a Z4M Coupe.
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Just a thought. The engine is awsome from a stitistical point of view and offers alot of agility, without ever firing one up. The question remains.... why is the car so heavy? And for the cost, isn't the new Cayaman S a better track car ..? Problem with the Cayman is that is a tad noisy and a shitty stereo, the //M is more refined and (typically) quiter, er luxury. But, BMW's new interior design sucks... BMW's pushing this Oracle sailboat racing thing toooo much. So, is there still an arguement of wether or not the //M is track bred..? It's undeniable! Is it worth $10k more than the 335 for "average Joe" street racing and lightstop flogging...? Thats thee arguement. :rocks: -Garrett |
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06-20-2007, 08:21 PM | #42 |
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Clearly not, but that also won't stop folks buying it for this exact purpose, heck even for less aggressive use. They will not only buy them for themselves but also for their non-enthusiast kids, wife, etc.
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Sure.....
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Agree with you...the Vette is top dog. GM is admitting that bring the Blue Devil has almost been as difficult as developing a new car.
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