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      08-15-2009, 12:58 AM   #111
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performance M3>135i>335i
bargain 135i>335i>M3
Modding 135i>335i>M3

The M3 is better than the 135i.. Does the price of the M3 justify how much better it is than the 135i... Nope

I rather purchase 2 135i vs 1 M3 IMO
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      08-15-2009, 02:09 PM   #112
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lol...that is exactly why so many 335/135 owners dumped their x35 for M3s the first chance they got after driving an M3...i know distinctly 20 something of them...

every 335 owner who cannot afford or is not feasible financially to buy an M3 says the "grapes are sour"...ROFL!!


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performance M3>135i>335i
bargain 135i>335i>M3
Modding 135i>335i>M3

The M3 is better than the 135i.. Does the price of the M3 justify how much better it is than the 135i... Nope

I rather purchase 2 135i vs 1 M3 IMO
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      08-15-2009, 05:06 PM   #113
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I rather purchase 2 135i vs 1 M3 IMO
Good for you. Then I'll stick a supercharger in my M3 and beat both of them
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      08-16-2009, 04:50 AM   #114
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performance M3>135i>335i
bargain 135i>335i>M3
Modding 135i>335i>M3

The M3 is better than the 135i.. Does the price of the M3 justify how much better it is than the 135i... Nope

I rather purchase 2 135i vs 1 M3 IMO
Modding M3>x35 - it has more displacement so it will always have more modding potential. M3 + Supercharger will beat any modded x35i - unless the x35i gets big aftermarket turbos which result in a narrow power band and big turbo lag...but then you just turn up the wick on the supercharger in the M3...
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      08-16-2009, 08:23 AM   #115
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A supercharged M3 is great but I'd rather a x35i with larger turbos.

I love atmo cars with great top ends and the M3 rocks but if you are after massive power modding a factory turbo car is much more sensible... Leave the M3 atmo as the factory intended....

PS Seen the vids of the Supercharged M3 (rocks!) and look forward to seeing it race the APS(?) 135i when it all set up.
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      08-18-2009, 11:35 PM   #116
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performance M3>135i>335i
bargain 135i>335i>M3
Modding 135i>335i>M3

The M3 is better than the 135i.. Does the price of the M3 justify how much better it is than the 135i... Nope

I rather purchase 2 135i vs 1 M3 IMO
i disagree. I pick quality over quantity. It's like having sex with two (or dozen) ugly chicks vs having sex with one really hot chick. which one do you pick?
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      08-19-2009, 12:15 AM   #117
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i disagree. I pick quality over quantity. It's like having sex with two (or dozen) ugly chicks vs having sex with one really hot chick. which one do you pick?
2 dozen hot chicks

GANGBANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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      08-19-2009, 02:23 AM   #118
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Using CarTest simulation software, I found that to match an E92 M3 DCT down the quarter mile, a 135i manual needs about 385HP/400lbft. So Dinan S2 should beat stock M3.

To match a modded E92 M3 DCT that has 456HP/332lbft, a 135i manual needs about 440HP/430lbft...pretty difficult to achieve 440HP on stock turbos reliably from a 135i/335i
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      08-19-2009, 02:56 PM   #119
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Using CarTest simulation software, I found that to match an E92 M3 DCT down the quarter mile, a 135i manual needs about 385HP/400lbft. So Dinan S2 should beat stock M3.

To match a modded E92 M3 DCT that has 456HP/332lbft, a 135i manual needs about 440HP/430lbft...pretty difficult to achieve 440HP on stock turbos reliably from a 135i/335i
but there is more, you still can't match the total package of the m3. the more aggresive look, the high rev v8 sound, the better leather, thicker steering wheel, nicer rims, tires, feel, the exclusive m color, the cool carbon roof, dct, and the list goes on forever.

for 10-15k more, the m is a bargain IMO

I wouldn't think twice before purchse the M when I finally decide to give up my current one. I'm still in love with the look/feel of mine.
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      10-24-2009, 12:12 PM   #120
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I drove the M3 extensively before I made my decision. The M3 is really just an awesome machine, I fell in love and really tried to convince myself that my budget could handle it. The sound haunted me a night when I went to sleep, it was almost like crack.

I was actually rationalizing ways in my mind to be able to finance this car. In the end I could not make the numbers work for me and my family (daughter + wife > then luxury car). That is when I got into the 135. This car is not an M3 but it is no joke. This thing means business when it wants to, it puts the 335 to shame in performance and appearance and it is just pure fun to drive. Nimble, agressive and has no natural competitors. The car is flat out unique.

If I could afford the M3 then yes it would be in my garage, lets face it, it is the better vehicle hands down. That being said the 135 is an awesome driving machine. For those you that think this is some entry level sales tactic you could not be more wrong. This car is pure performance full stop.

I will however leave you with this one last thought (sorry, I could not resist)

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      05-02-2010, 08:45 AM   #121
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135i and M3

I have the 135i because bmw will not special order leatherette, I don't buy leather for animal reason for the people that wonder. The 135i convertable is so fun to drive and I am not sure what everyone is talking about, it is mean. It drives like a dream. But, it is true there is something about that M. My point is don't be a snob to the 135i. Open the roof on a nice day and drive away you will know. But I would still buy the M if BMW will give me the option.
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      01-04-2011, 06:43 PM   #122
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I think that both cars are great... BMW doesn't half ass any car that they make, naturally If I could afford an M3 I would purchase one over a 135i. Owning the 135i is great and tons of power. Sure you can add a few more HP tuning with another manufacturer but why take the risk? My stage 2 Dinan is really quick, does it handle like the M3 would? Of course not, but at the price and the options that I have it's great. I don't think it's a girl car by any means, perhaps the convertible looks like one but not the coupe. Especially after you add on some of the sportier carbon fiber options. Also to this day the 135i can be a true sleeper, not a lot of people know about it.

Bottom line, whatever you buy just make sure it's a BMW...
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      01-05-2011, 03:24 AM   #124
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I have the 135i because bmw will not special order leatherette, I don't buy leather for animal reason for the people that wonder. The 135i convertable is so fun to drive and I am not sure what everyone is talking about, it is mean. It drives like a dream. But, it is true there is something about that M. My point is don't be a snob to the 135i. Open the roof on a nice day and drive away you will know. But I would still buy the M if BMW will give me the option.
Speedcloth?

Edit: Dammit, another old thread dug up from the dead...and I fell for it.
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      02-05-2011, 01:46 PM   #125
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Let me try to put a little perspective into this thread, as some of the replies have been plain retarded, specially by those who have the M-small weener complex.

In Summary: Get the M3 if you have the means! it is an overall much better performer, stock to stock, it looks much nicer, it has better driving dynamics, and it has an unbeatable V8 race-bred engine. If you can't afford it, the 135i is a good simple cheaper alternative.


Facts are:
* Dinan is the most undertuned of the tuners out there, and the so called warranty is laughable at best....search e90post or 1addicts for the horror stories. Steve Dinan is a great guy, but unfortunately Dinan's relationship with BMW has fallen badly and you WILL get much better performance out of the car with a JB3 or Procede.

* The 135i does have some slight understeer, which is simply fixed by spacers....I've done it . To really set it off, a good suspension and tire setup is required, so some decent coilovers and some good RE-11 or similar tires will set this car lose.

* Looks wise, the M3 destroys the 135i in almost every aspect. However, some simple mods can make the car nicer:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/9195092...7620841440130/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/ssabrip...7620837954416/

* the retard who said only females drive the 135i, probably needs to get out of the closet and join GALA. BMW USA numbers are that: 81% of the owners are males, and 78% of those are between the ages of 25-49. Perhaps in Utah, and in Jersey city, only the girls have it, but the rest of the country is male dominated in that market.

* The 135i desperately needs a true LSD, eventhough the e-lsd does somewhat of a patch job on it. But despite this, it does a superb job for the little car that it is. BMW really did a great job with the bugger, I just wished they would have made it more "appealing to the eyes" and put the darn LSD in there. All and all, however, it does a great job.....not too shabby for an otherwise stock car with a JB3 and coilovers (a whole $1986 later):
http://www.m3post.com/forums/attachm...2&d=1239798027
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...se#post4919346


I don't get the hate from some of the M owners. You guys have the better car (as it should be) and instead of giving praise to your little brother for its great performance for the price, you shit on it every other opportunity.

I personally bought the 135i because I wanted a simple daily driver that would be agood weekend track car, but could just as well have bought the M3. But given the X5 already in the wife's hand, and other things that are needed in this economy, the 135i does a great job.

as I said, if you can afford it, get the M3 and dont look back....can't replace the real thing. If you can't, or don't want to, the 135i is nothing to be embarrased about...it is a superb machine and one of the best performance dollar per dollar that $40k can buy you these days.
this is well said.....

OP, if you get the 135, you will be wanting for more 3 months later. I did on the 335, and I started with the Dinan flash. Pulls great.... handling is too sloppy, so then I did the Stage 3 suspension. Now it rides really rough.

If the 135 is your choice, I would get the 335 for looks and bigger back seat.

If Daily driving is what you want, the chipped 135 with some mods in the front end - M3 control arms/M3 tension rods, spacers will take some of the god awful understeer out without changing the springs and wrecking your ride for the family. This is would be a cheap, fun and great. That said, you will NOT get the power down without the LSD. The other day, I was on the highway at 120 kms/hr and changed lanes and stomped on it in 3rd... the traction control light came on because I turned the wheel to change lanes. The traction control light comes on so often ... the 135 I think is worse than the 335 for this.... but I am not 100% sure on that.

For the M3, you have to drive it differently and rev it, and push the gas pedal down to the floor.... if this is your driving style, then great. The 135/335 you don't need to do that, you want power in a subdivision at 2500 rpm, you give it some gas and you rip..... without winding it right out. I do this day in and day out... .2.5k to 5k and not really drawing that much attention to yourself. Plus if I was winding the car out to red line all the time I wanted to, my wife would give me "that look"... the one that says, "wtf are you doing....." with the 335 I don't really get that.

What I am saying is... pick your driving style and pick your car.

If you can afford the M3.... do it man. I have $2k in for Dinan Stage 2, 6K in for stage 3 suspension, I probably have another 5k in for the LSD and subframe bushings... that is just to get the handling and traction I wanted. I really want to get more rubber in the front, and more power... that is like another 10k.

or... you could just get an M3 out of the gate, do nothing to it, have more room for the family and drive the best car around, and have the gorgeous body, and interior that goes with it ..... but you pay.....

Whatcha gonna do?
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It definitely must be the luxury car taxes or something. Sounds very ludicrous.

Even us in Canada who consider ourselves getting ripped-off compared to our first cousins in the south especially with our dollar value being nearly equal, a fully loaded M3 coupe with all options available comes in close to $80,000 all taxes included.
errr.... you haven't looked lately.... the one I priced was 90k... same car in the US new - 72k

it just isn't fair.... it is the same f'n car.
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I have $2k in for Dinan Stage 2, 6K in for stage 3 suspension, I probably have another 5k in for the LSD and subframe bushings... that is just to get the handling and traction I wanted.(...) Whatcha gonna do?
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You've heard the term "no-brainer" used to describe an easy, obvious decision? This is one of those. Get the M3 and don't look back.
I would like to caution this comment. I feel like people discount the 135i a little too much sometimes. I have tracked a 135i with stage 2 dinan and the M package, it is definitely nothing too discount! It is a faster car than the M3 and if you are willing to invest in some decent rubber and perhaps some suspension upgrades than it will be faster around the track too. I have spent several full weekends running this 135i against a half dozen or more 08-09 M3's, and I always out pull them on the straights and I'm quicker through the tighter portion of the tracks as well. Not sure if you are familiar with Mosport in Ontario, but on the back straight this 135i hits 146mph and we turned 1:41 lap times......and we were running it on the stock 215 run flats that weekend. This is a very, very capable track car. If gutted, properly tuned, and properly tired, this is one machine not to mess with. I made several M3 owners face their doubts at the track, the 135i is very fast!
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      06-28-2011, 10:49 AM   #129
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Please just get a JB4 instead of the expensive Dinan . If a JB3 ($379) 335i can do this with Meth Injection ($300), think what a 135i or 1M can do.






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