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We all know that the M3 manual has throws that are too vague and too long, and that the clutch is too light with a very late engagement...yet we still have fun. |
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03-24-2013, 10:41 AM | #47 | |
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I only had DCT experience (on track and on autobahn/city) and really did love the transmission. But I'm very happy with my 6MT.
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03-24-2013, 10:53 AM | #48 | |
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Personally I plan to probably trade this car in for another BMW within 4 years. |
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03-24-2013, 11:23 AM | #49 |
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Ok I had DCT for 3 months now... granted it is a GREAT transmission shifts fast and convenient in traffic.. I MISS MT! I am constantly looking for manual beater (2nd car) ... I think my next M3/M4 will be MT
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03-24-2013, 11:44 AM | #51 | |
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03-24-2013, 12:03 PM | #52 |
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Went from 135i DCT to M3 MT last November.
The DCT is a marvel of technology and was fun, I enjoyed every minute of it. But... I kept wishing for a manual the whole time after the first couple of months wore the novelty down. Now that I have the manual, I do not think I will ever go back. For me; simply more satisfying, more control. It could be different if I used it on the track, but I don't. The M3 MT does take some time to get used to. I have 4000 miles on it now and it finally is getting to the point I'm getting 'smooth'. Mind you I'm old and had plenty of other manual cars before the 135 DCT experience. |
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03-24-2013, 04:07 PM | #53 | |
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My point is this : Getting manual or DCT is not something that should be picked with long term expenses in mind. you are spending a lot of money on this car. get it the way you want it. It simply a different class of person who buys a M3 over a mustang GT (for the most part). Yes parts on this car are expensive, keep your warranty and extend it. once its up trade it for something new or be prepared to cover repairs. There is nothing more to say! And if you buy a used M3 with a lot of miles, and cannot afford repairs. simply do not buy a m3... Live within your means. This car is much more than a transmission also. Yes a manual will be less money to repair with long term ownership, but it what about everything else? that engine is not cheap... |
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03-25-2013, 02:02 AM | #55 |
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Personal preference.
I went MT, after borrowing my mums 2011 dct for a few weeks I was sooooo bored. It's a fantastic piece of technology, just doesn't do it for me. |
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03-25-2013, 02:57 AM | #56 | |
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OP, I have a DCT and it is amazing for daily and track purposes. However, if I get another M3 in the future, it would be a manual. |
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03-25-2013, 08:12 AM | #57 |
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Thanks All. I drove a manual yesterday. It was certainly a lot more fun. I thought overall though that the DCTs acceleration was moderately quicker.
2nd Felt more torquey in the 6MT. Overall it was a fun car to drive in stick, but I have to say the gearbox isnt nearly as good as the 6MT in the 1M. |
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03-25-2013, 08:31 AM | #58 | |
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03-25-2013, 09:14 AM | #59 | |
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So we had the same gearing but 6MT had more power. In 3rd the DCT gearing must have made up for the extra power. |
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03-25-2013, 10:38 AM | #60 | |
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And a car like the E9x M3 is, for many, an automotive investment. Yes, anything BMW may strike some as being too ostentatious and indulgent to be a reasonable car purchase. The thing about BMWs that they, and even short-term BMW owners, may not appreciate is that the engineering is pretty amazing and that BMWs tend to last. Over the decades, well-cared-for BMWs have proven to be a good investment in terms of having a quality, stylish, performant ride for years and years and miles and miles, for less than the cost of flipping for a new car every three years. (It's also an investment in the joy of driving such a great machine.) The BMWs that don't last are usually ones with particular pernicious engineering problems with a particular crucial component. I agree that the S65 is a complicated engine and may prove to be expensive to maintain. But so far the engine is proving to be a winner, one of the best to come from BMW. The 6MT is a variation on something BMW has been doing for decades. On the other hand, while yes, so far the DCT is looking to be solid, it's still new technology without a lot of high-mileage data points, and with "lifetime" fluids and not much in serviceable parts, it's a black box. I prefer having the track record there. I also happen to like manual shifting, especially on a performance car. So yes, I consider it quite reasonable for people to weigh the various factors that can play into the long-term value of a car, even the current M3. My current M3 is not my first M3, nor is it my first BMW. My 1998 M3 racecar has 150k+ hard-driven miles. I have a 13yo 5 series still running like a new car. I had an E21 with close to 20 years and 200k miles on it, running fine and looking great, before it was totalled. And I had a '11 M3 with DCT, and had no complaints, aside from some of the nanny features, and it was head-and-shoulders better than the automatic on the 335xi I leased a few years ago and also loved. All of them are great cars, and I wouldn't consider any of them only for their short-term value. And I wouldn't deign to say that anyone who values money invested in a well-made car is somehow in the wrong class and shouldn't buy an M3. It's a BMW, after all! This the unbiased opinion of a BMW fangirl, offered with a smile. Rant over. |
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03-25-2013, 01:09 PM | #61 | |
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And should something go wrong with DCT, I'm stuck with taking the car to the dealership which =
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03-25-2013, 01:21 PM | #62 | |
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LOL you MT guys are funny...these threads always fill up with insecure MT owners making ever more extravagant reasons why they made the best choice. Last edited by SenorFunkyPants; 03-25-2013 at 01:35 PM.. |
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03-25-2013, 01:25 PM | #63 | |
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Try to find someone in SC that's willing to do a DCT swap outside the 1 dealership we have. Keep in mnd, I plan to keep this car well past 150k miles if everything goes to plan.
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Thats why you buy a warranty...and I'm far more concerned the engine will fail than I am the DCT.
The DCT is built to handle 50% more torque than the M3s engine produces which is why failures are so rare. |
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And for the record, I absolutely enjoyed driving the DCT M3 all over Europe.
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