KW CS installed

Wendall · 02-02-2013, 06:38 PM

Before with Eibachs:

Wendall · 02-02-2013, 06:39 PM

With KW CS

m3p40 · 02-02-2013, 06:42 PM

Stance looks sick.

Is the performance upgrade as crazy as everyone says?

w00tw00t · 02-02-2013, 06:51 PM

Nice but its funny. Did you just buy these for looks and lowering?

Wendall · 02-02-2013, 06:52 PM

Thanks to Baan Velgen and MRF Engineering!

Review:

Malek did an amazing job installing and aligning the KW CS. The front is about a one skinny finger gap and the rear is tire is tucked about a centimeter.

Comfort:
These feel like the Eibachs, maybe a tad bit stiffer. I'm not sure what setting Malek put the bound and rebound to, but I just told him to work his magic and It will be primarily a street car.

I was hesitant to buy this suspension because of some of the threads I have read about it being stiff and for track only. People have told me to go JRZ, TCK or MCS if i want a streetable comfort level.

I have to say, these are awesome. They absorb fast bumps just as well as stock and over slow/large bumps its feels like its on rails. It follows the bump smoothly. Whereas the stock and eibach set up would be floaty.

From what I hear about the JRZ's, these feel the same. Or atleast I would have the same description.

Weight:
I thought the KW CS would be heavier since they are inox stainless steel. They box they came in said they weighed ~ 45lbs from USPS.

Malek packed my Eibach and OEM struts in to a KW CS box for me to use if I ever need a back up. After lifting these out of the trunk, I noticed that they were much heavier than the KW CS setup. They feel about 10lbs heavier than the KW CS. I think the major weight savings is in the coils. From what I have heard, Eibachs are Hi Ten steel (very heavy) and KW CS are light Alloy.

Handling:

I have only put ~ 100 miles on them so far but it feels super flat now. Braking feels better - less rear to front weight transfer. These feel really stiff when you need them yet supple when you are cruising. In fact, when I drive into my driveway, it feels so stiff that one wheel seems to lift off the ground when i enter the ramp sideways.

Wendall · 02-02-2013, 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by w00tw00t

Nice but its funny. Did you just buy these for looks and lowering?

Yes im a poser. I admit it. I have never been to the track. However, I am changing my ways and I will be attending my first track event this month at california speedway. Some of my buddies are track junkies and are trying to get me hooked.

2000gsr · 02-02-2013, 06:56 PM

How much did the front and rear actually drop? I'm assuming you are on max height on the rears. Stance looks wicked!

Wendall · 02-02-2013, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 2000gsr

How much did the front and rear actually drop? I'm assuming you are on max height on the rears. Stance looks wicked!

I think the front is a one inch drop and the rears are 1/2inch from max height.

Thanks for the complement!

2000gsr · 02-02-2013, 07:08 PM

No problem, this post has pushed me even closer to pulling the trigger on these!

Wendall · 02-02-2013, 07:11 PM

Another thing to note is that I clear ramps and bumps easier. Since the springs are stiff my chin doesnt dip at all like the oem suspension.

w00tw00t · 02-02-2013, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by biggynuts01

Quote:

Originally Posted by w00tw00t

Nice but its funny. Did you just buy these for looks and lowering?

Yes im a poser. I admit it. I have never been to the track. However, I am changing my ways and I will be attending my first track event this month at california speedway. Some of my buddies are track junkies and are trying to get me hooked.

Once you get hooked on, you will wonder why you waited so long.

ms372 · 02-02-2013, 08:17 PM

looks good !

sensi09 · 02-02-2013, 11:05 PM

Looks good, but if you're mainly after looks, then how did you decide on the clubsports?

REDBULL · 02-02-2013, 11:48 PM

looks awesome man! just got my clubsports in as well (i also have a space grey M3 but silver comp wheels). will be puttin up pictures next week after install. what setting are your clubsports? i am also going to put 12mm spacers from 10mm rear

bobs619 · 02-03-2013, 01:16 AM

Looks good. Plan on running spacers?

MilehighM3 · 02-03-2013, 06:19 AM

Looks great, except for the Prius in the background!

Wendall · 02-03-2013, 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bmw135er

Looks great, except for the Prius in the background!

I love that piece of $hit!

Malek@MRF · 02-03-2013, 03:28 PM

Steven,

I am glad you are enjoying and gradually warming up the KW Clubsports. They are amazing suspension pieces and defintely worth every penny. It absolutely transforms the car. As you get more seat time with the car, this will become more evident.

Malek

2000gsr · 02-05-2013, 09:52 AM

Do you remember the settings you used?

Wendall · 02-05-2013, 10:05 AM

I have been tinkering with the settings a bit. At first it was 8/9rebound and 5/4bump

It rodes really well and turn in was sharp. However, It got a little to stiff at times driving down the 405 fwy near LAX. That fwy strip is really bumpy.

So, I backed it off to 6/9 Rebound and 6/6 bump and it feels just like my eibachs. Slightly stiffer than OEM but 10x the control. No more floatiness on bumps.

2000gsr · 02-07-2013, 03:48 PM

So you are at kw recommended settings right now. What are your camber settings at?

THE TECH · 02-07-2013, 03:51 PM

Looks good.

02-02-2013, 06:38 PM	#1
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Wendall ***Major MammelToe 158 Rep 1,139 Posts Drives: E92 M3 SG coupe Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Orange County, CA iTrader: (3)	With KW CS Attached Images __________________ E92 M3 SG DCT - AA Filter, Verstraβe Paddles, ECS SS, MH race stud, Stoptech BBK, MR Exhaust,RE Pulley, BPM Tune,Euro bumper and GTS lip, Euro MDM & DCT, KW CS, Recaro PP, TMS Soild Diff Mounts, MRF solid subframe mounts, GTS aero, RPM track built motor.
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Wendall ***Major MammelToe 158 Rep 1,139 Posts Drives: E92 M3 SG coupe Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Orange County, CA iTrader: (3)	Thanks to Baan Velgen and MRF Engineering! Review: Malek did an amazing job installing and aligning the KW CS. The front is about a one skinny finger gap and the rear is tire is tucked about a centimeter. Comfort: These feel like the Eibachs, maybe a tad bit stiffer. I'm not sure what setting Malek put the bound and rebound to, but I just told him to work his magic and It will be primarily a street car. I was hesitant to buy this suspension because of some of the threads I have read about it being stiff and for track only. People have told me to go JRZ, TCK or MCS if i want a streetable comfort level. I have to say, these are awesome. They absorb fast bumps just as well as stock and over slow/large bumps its feels like its on rails. It follows the bump smoothly. Whereas the stock and eibach set up would be floaty. From what I hear about the JRZ's, these feel the same. Or atleast I would have the same description. Weight: I thought the KW CS would be heavier since they are inox stainless steel. They box they came in said they weighed ~ 45lbs from USPS. Malek packed my Eibach and OEM struts in to a KW CS box for me to use if I ever need a back up. After lifting these out of the trunk, I noticed that they were much heavier than the KW CS setup. They feel about 10lbs heavier than the KW CS. I think the major weight savings is in the coils. From what I have heard, Eibachs are Hi Ten steel (very heavy) and KW CS are light Alloy. Handling: I have only put ~ 100 miles on them so far but it feels super flat now. Braking feels better - less rear to front weight transfer. These feel really stiff when you need them yet supple when you are cruising. In fact, when I drive into my driveway, it feels so stiff that one wheel seems to lift off the ground when i enter the ramp sideways. __________________ E92 M3 SG DCT - AA Filter, Verstraβe Paddles, ECS SS, MH race stud, Stoptech BBK, MR Exhaust,RE Pulley, BPM Tune,Euro bumper and GTS lip, Euro MDM & DCT, KW CS, Recaro PP, TMS Soild Diff Mounts, MRF solid subframe mounts, GTS aero, RPM track built motor.
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02-02-2013, 07:11 PM	#10
Wendall ***Major MammelToe 158 Rep 1,139 Posts Drives: E92 M3 SG coupe Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Orange County, CA iTrader: (3)	Another thing to note is that I clear ramps and bumps easier. Since the springs are stiff my chin doesnt dip at all like the oem suspension. __________________ E92 M3 SG DCT - AA Filter, Verstraβe Paddles, ECS SS, MH race stud, Stoptech BBK, MR Exhaust,RE Pulley, BPM Tune,Euro bumper and GTS lip, Euro MDM & DCT, KW CS, Recaro PP, TMS Soild Diff Mounts, MRF solid subframe mounts, GTS aero, RPM track built motor.
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REDBULL Captain 75 Rep 731 Posts Drives: '12 SG M3/Fox Red Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: NA iTrader: (6)	looks awesome man! just got my clubsports in as well (i also have a space grey M3 but silver comp wheels). will be puttin up pictures next week after install. what setting are your clubsports? i am also going to put 12mm spacers from 10mm rear __________________ 12 E92 M3 SG/Fox Red - ESS VT2-650 \| Mode Carbon \| KW Clubsports \| IPE \| Challenge Race X pipe 10 E92 M3 MR/Black - rod bearing failure
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Wendall ***Major MammelToe 158 Rep 1,139 Posts Drives: E92 M3 SG coupe Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Orange County, CA iTrader: (3)	I have been tinkering with the settings a bit. At first it was 8/9rebound and 5/4bump It rodes really well and turn in was sharp. However, It got a little to stiff at times driving down the 405 fwy near LAX. That fwy strip is really bumpy. So, I backed it off to 6/9 Rebound and 6/6 bump and it feels just like my eibachs. Slightly stiffer than OEM but 10x the control. No more floatiness on bumps. __________________ E92 M3 SG DCT - AA Filter, Verstraβe Paddles, ECS SS, MH race stud, Stoptech BBK, MR Exhaust,RE Pulley, BPM Tune,Euro bumper and GTS lip, Euro MDM & DCT, KW CS, Recaro PP, TMS Soild Diff Mounts, MRF solid subframe mounts, GTS aero, RPM track built motor.
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02-07-2013, 03:48 PM	#21
2000gsr First Lieutenant 18 Rep 396 Posts Drives: 2018 M4 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Toronto, ON iTrader: (0)	So you are at kw recommended settings right now. What are your camber settings at?
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