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      04-14-2008, 04:16 PM   #221
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What common sense are you talking about? A $44k sports car fully loaded vs $54k or $70k if fully loaded and both are almost equal in any performance category, is that the common sense you're talking about. I will agree that BMW's quality is probably more superior than any Chevy model and that the M3 is probably more practical than the Vette as well. But your statement still says that Chevy is inferior because the fact that it's a Chevy, hence you're a badge whore.
you and your badge whore tag...thats funny...i don't get people that come on this board and run their mouths off, you even backed up my statement saying that BMW's quality is probably more superior, thats what I said...Putting performance figures aside, at the end of the day would you rather drive a BMW who has won numerous awards for their vehicles and are known worldwide as a "nicer" vehicle than a chevy, don't get me wrong, chevy makes exceptional vehicles, but man, like i said Chevy vs. BMW, Ill take the M3 over the C6.....
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heres Hockenhiem and the M3 beats the C6 older 400 hp version:

41. BMW M3 (E92) 1:14.3 ´07 420 / 1619 sportauto
42. BMW M6 1:14.4 ´05 507 / 1710 "Sport Auto"
43. Porsche 993 Turbo (3.6) 1:14.4 ´95 408 / 1502 Sportauto
44. Lamborghini Diablo GT 1:14.4 ´99 570 / 1530 Sport Auto
45. Mercedes SLK 55 AMG Black Series 1:14.4 ´06 400 / 1506 Sport Auto
46. Honda NSX-R 1:14.6 ´02 280 / 1270 Sportauto
47. Porsche 996 Turbo 1:14.6 ´00 420 / 1540 Sport Auto
48. Ferrari 575 Maranello 1:14.7 ´02 540 / 1730 "Sport Auto"
49. Chevrolet Corvette C6 1:14.8 ´04 400 / 1470 "Sport Auto"
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      04-14-2008, 04:43 PM   #223
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you and your badge whore tag...thats funny...i don't get people that come on this board and run their mouths off, you even backed up my statement saying that BMW's quality is probably more superior, thats what I said...Putting performance figures aside, at the end of the day would you rather drive a BMW who has won numerous awards for their vehicles and are known worldwide as a "nicer" vehicle than a chevy, don't get me wrong, chevy makes exceptional vehicles, but man, like i said Chevy vs. BMW, Ill take the M3 over the C6.....
Yup, you're still a badge whore.
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heres Hockenhiem and the M3 beats the C6 older 400 hp version:

41. BMW M3 (E92) 1:14.3 ´07 420 / 1619 sportauto
42. BMW M6 1:14.4 ´05 507 / 1710 "Sport Auto"
43. Porsche 993 Turbo (3.6) 1:14.4 ´95 408 / 1502 Sportauto
44. Lamborghini Diablo GT 1:14.4 ´99 570 / 1530 Sport Auto
45. Mercedes SLK 55 AMG Black Series 1:14.4 ´06 400 / 1506 Sport Auto
46. Honda NSX-R 1:14.6 ´02 280 / 1270 Sportauto
47. Porsche 996 Turbo 1:14.6 ´00 420 / 1540 Sport Auto
48. Ferrari 575 Maranello 1:14.7 ´02 540 / 1730 "Sport Auto"
49. Chevrolet Corvette C6 1:14.8 ´04 400 / 1470 "Sport Auto"
too close to call it a win.
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      04-14-2008, 05:06 PM   #226
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Yup, you're still a badge whore.
taking into acount ive got 2 chevy's and a the m3 yea your so right, badge whore, why dont you let it rest and go get back on your c6 forum

Yup...
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      04-14-2008, 05:14 PM   #227
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my god are you kiddin me, its a Chevy vs. BMW, thats all that needs to be said, figures aside and all the other BS, Chevyyyy BMW....come on guys
I've owned 2 BMW's in the past 1 being an M3, among other vehicles, I must say I'm proud I drive a chevy, and yes the build quality while quite not as high as the BMW, is quite good.

The fact that is the Corvette is the best performance car for the money, and I've beating on it and running it in the 1/8 and 1/4 mile time after time, and it is bullet proof, while I have had problems with the BMW's in the past.


One thing I must say on the C6 forums, you do have your fan boys also, but most appreciate all performance cars and are more objective in their reviews of other vehicles, and don't bash other vehicles for their idiosyncrasies, and all cars have them. On this site the Fan boys can be easily spotted a mile away.

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I've owned 2 BMW's in the past 1 being an M3, among other vehicles, I must say I'm pround I drive a chevy, and yes the build quality while quite not as high as the BMW, is quite good.

The fact that is the Corvette is the best performance car for the money, and I've beating on it and running it in the 1/8 and 1/4 mile time after time, and it is bullet proof, while I have had problems with the BMW's in the past.


One thing I must say on the C6 forums, you do have your fan boys also, but most appreciate all performance cars and are more objective in their reviews of other vehicles, and don't bash other vehicles for their idiosyncrasies, and all cars have them. On this site the Fan boys can be easily spotted a mile away.


Here you guys go again...fanboy, badge whore...give it a rest...

1) stop comin on here talkin corvette superiority then goin back on it and backin bmw for quality, etc

2) no one is raggin on chevy, but facts are facts, he said she said BS is gettin old

3) get off the whole badge whore fanboy, your on M3post.com

4) dont talk about respecting all cars for what they are as if I or anyother particular car owner doesn't

5) Leave it ALONE...its like tryin to convince a liberal that they are wrong and a conservative that they are too "good"....its not gonna happen
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      04-14-2008, 05:34 PM   #229
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Thats all I have to say, no more from me...
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      04-14-2008, 07:42 PM   #230
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Hockenheim short track more #'s.

1:14.1 --- 126.32 km/h - Corvette C6 coupe 6.2 V8, 437 PS/1498 kg (sport auto 04/08)
1:14.3 --- 125.98 km/h - BMW M3, 420 PS/1608 kg, www.sportauto-
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      04-20-2008, 11:03 PM   #231
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I'd just like to clear up one major misconception about OHV (cam-in-block) engines. Contrary to popular myth, the OHC dates way back to shortly after the turn of the 20th Century (Fiat, Ferrari, Bentley, Alfa Romeo, etc), whereas the first volume-produced car with an OHV engine was an Oldsmobile with the then-new "Rocket V8"--in 1949.

It is my belief that GM's smallblock LSX is the most well-rounded V8s in existence. In most of the major categories, it does exceedingly well in .. power, size, efficiency, cost, and modability. Go over to Bimmerforums, and you'll see a section called Engine Conversions. "Fair" who owns a BMW chassis shop is currently selling LS1 conversion kits for the E36 3-series.

I've been so impressed with his work that I'm looking for a damaged/wrecked E92 Coupe for a similar project. This is a dream come true for me because I love the E92 Coupe, especially in M3 guise, but I can't afford one.

The plan is to do the engine swap with an LS2, and slowly address the braking, suspension, etc to handle the increased power. The idea is to have M3 performance and looks for half the price.
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I'd just like to clear up one major misconception about OHV (cam-in-block) engines. Contrary to popular myth, the OHC dates way back to shortly after the turn of the 20th Century (Fiat, Ferrari, Bentley, Alfa Romeo, etc), whereas the first volume-produced car with an OHV engine was an Oldsmobile with the then-new "Rocket V8"--in 1949.

It is my belief that GM's smallblock LSX is the most well-rounded V8s in existence. In most of the major categories, it does exceedingly well in .. power, size, efficiency, cost, and modability. Go over to Bimmerforums, and you'll see a section called Engine Conversions. "Fair" who owns a BMW chassis shop is currently selling LS1 conversion kits for the E36 3-series.

I've been so impressed with his work that I'm looking for a damaged/wrecked E92 Coupe for a similar project. This is a dream come true for me because I love the E92 Coupe, especially in M3 guise, but I can't afford one.

The plan is to do the engine swap with an LS2, and slowly address the braking, suspension, etc to handle the increased power. The idea is to have M3 performance and looks for half the price.
absolutely no doubt that Chevy and GM know how to build some of the best v8's in the world. no arguement from me. however I am attracted more to the newer F1 type technology such as is found in the M3.
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      04-24-2008, 12:53 AM   #233
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absolutely no doubt that Chevy and GM know how to build some of the best v8's in the world. no arguement from me. however I am attracted more to the newer F1 type technology such as is found in the M3.
No problem with that, everybody has preferences. I'm just tired of the myth and lies about pushrod engines being antiquated/outdated technology.

As for the M3 vs C6 acceleration-wise, I think the C6 takes it. Don't get me wrong, the M3's V8 is a jewel of an engine. However, I'm not so blinded as to think that somehow the M3's V8 can somehow outperform the LS3 in a car that weigh roughly 500 lbs less.

If anything, I think the M3 may make the Vette sweat from 0-60, beyond that, I think the Vette's lead will widen quite a bit. Car and Driver got the new '08 Corvette to run 0-60 in 4 seconds flat, hitting the quarter-mile in 12.4 seconds. I don't think the M3 can match that, especially in the quarter-mile.

However, with that being said, there's no way of being 100% sure until we see comparisons where both cars are tested.
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I would say they are sooo close that either in a 1/4 mile or a road course the driver will determine the winner. but the fact that the M3 seats four gives it the win in my book. If GM had to compromise the Vette design to fit four it would weigh much more.
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I would say they are sooo close that either in a 1/4 mile or a road course the driver will determine the winner. but the fact that the M3 seats four gives it the win in my book. If GM had to compromise the Vette design to fit four it would weigh much more.
I guess we can agree to disagree, I'd say in the 1/4, I'd say the Vette would have about a 3/10's to a half second advantage. But again, nothing is certain until we see some tests where both cars are included. I don't pay much attention to road course times because in my mind they're more driver dependant than all-out acceleration.

I agree that the M3 would be more practical due to the fact that it's available as a coupe AND sedan. Here's to hoping the new CTS-V will impress as much as the '08 C6.
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I guess we can agree to disagree, I'd say in the 1/4, I'd say the Vette would have about a 3/10's to a half second advantage. But again, nothing is certain until we see some tests where both cars are included. I don't pay much attention to road course times because in my mind they're more driver dependant than all-out acceleration.

I agree that the M3 would be more practical due to the fact that it's available as a coupe AND sedan. Here's to hoping the new CTS-V will impress as much as the '08 C6.

I am more concerned about road course times. thats where I get my kicks.....anyone can drive fast in a straight line.

and its amazing a 4 door sedan or 4 seat coupe can keep up with dedicated two seats sports car. I need to seat four so the Vette is not even an option for me.
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check out http://corvetteforum.com/

and you'll find some good data on 1/4 mile times

Way to go Spearfisher on sticking this thread out for nearly 4 months haha- way to endure!
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Way to go Spearfisher on sticking this thread out for nearly 4 months haha- way to endure!
four months on a BMW forum? does that make him a C6 Fanboy?
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I am more concerned about road course times. thats where I get my kicks.....anyone can drive fast in a straight line.

and its amazing a 4 door sedan or 4 seat coupe can keep up with dedicated two seats sports car. I need to seat four so the Vette is not even an option for me.
I agree I prefer a road course and auto-x, more fun.

but running the 1/4 mile is no easy feat also, there is a art to launching a car and good shifts to get the following.

1. reaction time.
2. 60 foot times.

the 2 biggest factors in your 1/4 times and trap speed. and of course the car has a lot to do with it also.
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No problem with that, everybody has preferences. I'm just tired of the myth and lies about pushrod engines being antiquated/outdated technology.

As for the M3 vs C6 acceleration-wise, I think the C6 takes it. Don't get me wrong, the M3's V8 is a jewel of an engine. However, I'm not so blinded as to think that somehow the M3's V8 can somehow outperform the LS3 in a car that weigh roughly 500 lbs less.

If anything, I think the M3 may make the Vette sweat from 0-60, beyond that, I think the Vette's lead will widen quite a bit. Car and Driver got the new '08 Corvette to run 0-60 in 4 seconds flat, hitting the quarter-mile in 12.4 seconds. I don't think the M3 can match that, especially in the quarter-mile.

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your pretty much on target.

I did a pretty extensive test drive of the M3 weekend, and while I like the styling, fit, and the fact that it holds 2 more people.

The M3 feels quick and is very easy to launch off the line with the dsc disabled, it does not feel as fast as the new LS3 vette, from a stand still, or a rolling pull. I know a lot of people are going to get offended, but from about of an hour of driving the vehicle accelerating from all speed including a stand still, the vette feels faster, I don't think the M3 will hang with the vette in the 1/4 mile.
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IMHO anyone that has owned a BMW would most certainly not consider buying a Vette. Especially knowing that the ///M division is coming out with the new M3. to me they are two totally different cars and the M3 poops on the Vette in every way possible (sarcasm)
I would be curious as to why not if they are true car enthusiasts...

Both cars, when looked at objectively, definitely have their merits...

You should drive a C6 Z and E9X back to back...I do not think you would come to the same conclusion...
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