F82 M4 offer enough benefit over the e92 M3 to justify jumping into it?

[fatpanda]

M4 can haz turbo blowoff valve? WOOooor PSsssshh... LOL. Ricers watch out!

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by JAM3S

Why? he could have waited and bought the turbro M4 if he wanted.

Stop getting mad at everyone who doesnt like the new M3/4. Are you that insecure about a car youve never driven??

don't even bother. he doenst understand that there is more to cars that going fast around a track. BMW could have put a 4 banger in this next M4 and he would love it. because it can be faster.

[Nautik]

I was thumbing through the latest Car and Driver which compared the new BMW M?435i to the current Audi S5. I was quite surprised when Car and Driver (who are notorious BMW fans) ranked the S5 above the 435i... I also noticed Car and Driver had the 435i at 3621 pound curb weight. So if I understand it correctly, BMW is pulling 250-300 pounds out of this car to make the M4?

Not to say the new M4 won't be a completely different animal but it does share a lot of similar technology with the 435i. I don't think we can question that the new M4 will have much more in common with the new 435i than the E92 M3 did with the 335i. The fact is both the M4 and 435i are 6 cylinder turbos with electric steering. I am skeptical that BMW is all of a sudden going to make huge changes here and the M4 be vastly superior.

In my humble opinion, this latest information adds a bit more skepticism for me regarding the new M3/M4 offering enough of a value proposition over my E92 to be worth getting into.

By the way, the new turbo F1 cars sound like shit to my ears. I fell asleep around lap 20. When I woke up this made me doubly anxious about the sound of the new M3/M4 and I question how much of the driving experience that I get in the e92 is related to the amazing sound as it is hard to quantify it.

[Wild_Will]

Regardless of the weight it will be fast as shit but people will still complain it's funny.

[Nautik]

Originally Posted by Wild_Will

Regardless of the weight it will be fast as shit but people will still complain it's funny.

The current M3 is fast as shit...

[Petros]

Originally Posted by Nautik

The current M3 is fast as shit...

no it isn't

[BrewRifle]

Are you expecting the new M4 to run 11's or 0-60 in < 3.0 seconds? It will not, and it will be slightly better than the E9x gen numbers. So yes, the E9x is fast as shit if you're thinking the new M4 will be fast as shit.

[BOOstJunkee]

Originally Posted by BrewRifle

Are you expecting the new M4 to run 11's or 0-60 in < 3.0 seconds? It will not, and it will be slightly better than the E9x gen numbers. So yes, the E9x is fast as shit if you're thinking the new M4 will be fast as shit.

Stock E9x M3 is fast, but definitely not fast as shit.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by BrewRifle

Are you expecting the new M4 to run 11's or 0-60 in < 3.0 seconds? It will not, and it will be slightly better than the E9x gen numbers. So yes, the E9x is fast as shit if you're thinking the new M4 will be fast as shit.

I'm expecting it to run 11s!

A 480hp 1800kg C63 P31 run 11.8, I'm expecting a +450hp 1550kg M3 to be as fast!

Don't be naive, the S55 will have more then 450hp!

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

I'm expecting it to run 11s!

A 480hp 1800kg C63 P31 run 11.8, I'm expecting a +450hp 1550kg M3 to be as fast!

Don't be naive, the S55 will have more then 450hp!

It's ranked at 430 why would you think it will have 450+? You mean crank? Possibly but we will see.

It will be a great car but it has been proven the weight difference was a marketing play depending on the car being full of fluids etc. I had one on order until a few weeks ago when I decided to wait out the first year.

I would expect them to run low 12s but with that said I think an E9X with a VT2 blower will handle one for quite some time.

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by BOOstJunkee

Stock E9x M3 is fast, but definitely not fast as shit.

Cars have gotten ridiculous these days. Back in the day when I was growing up 13s was pretty damn fast. 10s on a street car? Not really. Now GTRs run 9s and take you to the grocery store if you want.

I think 12s cars are considered 'quick' now days. A DCT E9x M3 is a mid 12 car right? I have never drag raced one.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by dmk08

It's ranked at 430 why would you think it will have 450+? You mean crank? Possibly but we will see.

It will be a great car but it has been proven the weight difference was a marketing play depending on the car being full of fluids etc. I had one on order until a few weeks ago when I decided to wait out the first year.

I would expect them to run low 12s but with that said I think an E9X with a VT2 blower will handle one for quite some time.

A stock e9x DCT already run low 12s, there's no doupt that the new one will be much faster, BMW are'nt stupid enough to make us lose that wonderfull V8 without giving us a significant performance advantage in exchange!

And both 1M and M5/M6 engines are underated by at least 40hp, it should be no different with the M3/M4!

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by dmk08

Cars have gotten ridiculous these days. Back in the day when I was growing up 13s was pretty damn fast. 10s on a street car? Not really. Now GTRs run 9s and take you to the grocery store if you want.

I think 12s cars are considered 'quick' now days. A DCT E9x M3 is a mid 12 car right? I have never drag raced one.

A stock DCT E9x M3 can do 12.3-12.4@112-113mph in good conditions!

[dmk08]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

A stock e9x DCT already run low 12s, there's no doupt that the new one will be much faster, BMW are'nt stupid enough to make us lose that wonderfull V8 without giving us a significant performance advantage in exchange!

And both 1M and M5/M6 engines are underated by at least 40hp, it should be no different with the M3/M4!

I agree it will be faster. It's the 'much' I wonder about.

You don't think it's odd they wont let any magazines test it prior to it coming out?

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by dmk08

I agree it will be faster. It's the 'much' I wonder about.

You don't think it's odd they wont let any magazines test it prior to it coming out?

Yes I find it odd, but I know it has absolutly nothing to do with it lacking in accelraration, but I could see BMW being shy about the exhaust note though!

I seriously can't wait to see Chris Harris and Carlos Lago reviewing this car!!

[BOOstJunkee]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

A stock DCT E9x M3 can do 12.3-12.4@112-113mph in good conditions!

That is not common. Most do not touch 12.3 stock.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by BOOstJunkee

That is not common. Most do not touch 12.3 stock.

Not common sure, but still doable! I ran 12.8 with my stock manual and the DCT is A LOT faster so I'm sure one could've done 12.3-12.4 in the same condition with a DCT!

[Nautik]

Turns out BMW may be willing to sell you a Performance Exhaust for $5000? that might make it sound acceptable (jury obviously still out as it was with a cell phone and under no load).
http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=959707

I personally loved the raspy aggressive sound of my e46 M3 so if BMW is able to recreate something similar with this car then maybe I will stop hating on the sound

As far as a 1/4 mile time I doubt this car will have more than a few tenths on the e92 M3.

Horsepower-wise it probably does make 450ish HP while the engine is just barely warmed up. Drive it a lap and it will DYNO exactly where BMW says it will. I believe the current M5/M6 are in the same boat.

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by Nautik

Turns out BMW may be willing to sell you a Performance Exhaust for $5000? that might make it sound acceptable (jury obviously still out as it was with a cell phone and under no load).
http://f80.bimmerpost.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=959707

I personally loved the raspy aggressive sound of my e46 M3 so if BMW is able to recreate something similar with this car then maybe I will stop hating on the sound

As far as a 1/4 mile time I doubt this car will have more than a few tenths on the e92 M3.

Horsepower-wise it probably does make 450ish HP while the engine is just barely warmed up. Drive it a lap and it will DYNO exactly where BMW says it will. I believe the current M5/M6 are in the same boat.

for sure going to sound different than a E46 M. the E46 was a high revving N/A 3.2L I6. where these engines are 3.0L twin turbo I6. if anything it will sound similar to a 335i.

people talk about putting a exhuast on will make a huge differences. honestly the car has fundamental things about it that are going against it. in terms of sound. the days of a M car sounding really good are in the past IMO. even the F10 M sound "ok" with or without a exhuast

[BOOstJunkee]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

Not common sure, but still doable! I ran 12.8 with my stock manual and the DCT is A LOT faster so I'm sure one could've done 12.3-12.4 in the same condition with a DCT!

I ran 12.9 years back in my stock 6 speed e46 m3. And that was on a fast track on the east coast. I have been to this same track plenty of times, and e9x m3 guys run 12.6-13.1 stock. I have not seen these skilled e9x m3 drivers. So based off of my experiences, I would say 12.3 is very very rare.

[Amirsm3]

Originally Posted by Wild_Will

Regardless of the weight it will be fast as shit but people will still complain it's funny.

And have arguably more tech for comfort and performance at a slightly higher premium than the e9X commanded.

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by BOOstJunkee

I ran 12.9 years back in my stock 6 speed e46 m3. And that was on a fast track on the east coast. I have been to this same track plenty of times, and e9x m3 guys run 12.6-13.1 stock. I have not seen these skilled e9x m3 drivers. So based off of my experiences, I would say 12.3 is very very rare.

No doubt it is rare! But when I talk about 1/4 mile times, I talk about the best achieveble time for a car, not the average time of the average joe! You know like me that most people don't know how to drive!