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07-23-2007, 07:28 AM | #1 |
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Improving the M3? Bring the Sport Pack ASAP!!!
The E46 sport pack had sharpened steering and beefed up brakes the only two things everybody is dissapointed about in the e92. No need to hurry up and bring a 100K CSL, just bring the sport pack and all will be cool, no?
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07-23-2007, 08:14 AM | #2 |
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M3s have always had the best (or one of the best) stoping power, I don't see why you would won't to change this. Especially that early! I don't even want to comment on the handling... dude it's BMW, it's what's all about!
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07-23-2007, 09:06 AM | #3 |
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And some reports have called the brakes and handling(well steering actually) into question.
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07-23-2007, 01:36 PM | #4 |
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07-23-2007, 02:03 PM | #6 |
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Why are all these RS4 forum members (you know who you are) so concerned with the new M3?
I mean why bother caring at all about it unless you are unhappy with your current RS4?.......... And if that is the case why not just wait for the new RS5 or next gen RS4 in 2009? |
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07-23-2007, 04:26 PM | #8 |
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Why should I be. When the facts speak even the gods listen. This is not simply my personal opinion after all.
Anyway believe all you want. I've read reviews about McLaren F1 having bad brakes and not handling properly enought, too. Do you believe that as well.....it's everybody's personal choice. |
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07-23-2007, 04:32 PM | #9 |
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You aren't the same russian dude who use to own a E46 m3 site right? I think it was white russian .... something
Also, has anyone owned a 330ci ZCP and a e46 m3 before? How does the two compare in terms of handling? |
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07-23-2007, 05:57 PM | #10 |
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Jason , whats that saying about great minds thinking alike? EVERYBODY calm down and drive the car first. Besides if history tells us anything, BMW will make small steady gains over a period of time after the car is out. The E46 M3 is a shining example. You didn't see huge horsepower gains or tweaks through its whole life span, but I don't remember a whole lot of complaints.But hey , what do I know
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07-23-2007, 09:30 PM | #11 |
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what's that they say about self-aggrandizing? oh yeah... don't do it.
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That included: - larger front brakes 12.8’’ vs. 13.6’’ on base M3. - more direct steering ratio 14.5:1 vs. 15.4:1 on base M3 I wonder how those specs compare to the E92? |
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07-24-2007, 09:12 PM | #14 |
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The E92 has bigger brakes and a more direct steering ratio than the E46 M3 ZCP
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07-24-2007, 09:41 PM | #15 |
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07-24-2007, 09:55 PM | #18 |
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And it is a direct mechanical linkage, right? I wish these reviews articulated what they meant by lack of feeling at dead center. I can guess what that means, but I want to know what they think is causing it. Tolerances? Gear ratio? Suspension geometry? Tires? Response time in the power assist mechanism? I don't know, anything that is more concrete than this vague observation that they all keep on making...
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This is interesting. If the steering ratio is that low, one would expect a pretty sensitive steering response, and we can rule out gear ratio from the list of potential issues I mentioned earlier. So, the question remains: what the hell is the problem? |
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