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      11-14-2009, 03:45 PM   #397
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Just like the Porsche GT3 side discussion got moved because it was getting so far OT so should the BMW vs. Audi (or even if you call it BMW&Audi). Footie, how predictable...
I wasn't intenting to turn this to an Audi topic, I only chose to show why I feel BMW will have a hard time selling the GTS in the US. Audi didn't follow their led and that is why it's R8 doesn't suffer the same value image problems for the reasons I listed above.

After that post all I have done is try to explain this. So sorry for taking it off topic.
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      11-14-2009, 07:03 PM   #398
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Just like the Porsche GT3 side discussion got moved because it was getting so far OT so should the BMW vs. Audi (or even if you call it BMW&Audi). Footie, how predictable...
Would this be the wrong time to comment that while I love the M and don't care what's ahead because THE GT3 RS is my ultimate dream car and the next one on my list. Sorry, I couldn't help myself, off topic I know
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      11-15-2009, 02:02 AM   #399
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      11-16-2009, 04:48 PM   #400
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wheels look sick. woww.
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      11-16-2009, 07:50 PM   #401
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M3 GTS Announcement
This past week, BMW M announced the development of the M3 GTS, an M3 Coupe intended to be a street legal club-race car. The announcement included information about modifications to the engine, suspension, brakes and seating. The M3 GTS will not be sold in the United States because modifications do not allow homologation for use on public streets.

....I'm too lazy to read through the whole thread but this is what I saw...what a shame.
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      11-17-2009, 06:03 PM   #402
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thats sucks im sure plenty of people will just make there own clones
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      11-18-2009, 03:18 AM   #403
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any 0-60 times?
I posted a slew of performance estimated based on modeling/simulation. 0-60 should be about 3.8.
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      11-19-2009, 01:23 PM   #404
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That lip is pretty sick but I sure smell aftermarket M3 GTS parts being replicated in china right now lol....
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      11-20-2009, 07:21 AM   #405
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I would rather prefer to hear the engine sound than the shit music.

SWEET CAR.
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      11-20-2009, 07:52 AM   #406
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This thread is starting to suck now. It is funny how many misinformed people post as if they actually knew what they were talking about.

Audi higher priced than BMW? Really? Not here in VA/DC.

To insinuate that BMW some how sold out in the US in order to gain market share is plain ridiculous? It's called demand and economy of scales.

Additionally, last time I checked, Audi is below BMW and Mercedes in terms of prestige and several other factors. Granted, they have nice interiors but so do Infiniti and Lexus. In order for them to compete and try to gain market share from BMW, they must give the consumer more bang for the buck.

Acura competes with Infiniti

Infiniti competes with Lexus

Lexus competes with Mercedes and BMW

BMW and Mercedes compete against each other

...and Audi, is somewhere in between but with no real hold on the market.

Again, price reflects the economy of scale.

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      11-24-2009, 05:16 AM   #407
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id rather have the new gt3 a hundred times over. nice car but for your moneys worth why not get an exotic that will run circles around this roided out m3?
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      12-15-2009, 08:18 PM   #408
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This thread is starting to suck now. It is funny how many misinformed people post as if they actually knew what they were talking about.

Audi higher priced than BMW? Really? Not here in VA/DC.

To insinuate that BMW some how sold out in the US in order to gain market share is plain ridiculous? It's called demand and economy of scales.

Additionally, last time I checked, Audi is below BMW and Mercedes in terms of prestige and several other factors. Granted, they have nice interiors but so do Infiniti and Lexus. In order for them to compete and try to gain market share from BMW, they must give the consumer more bang for the buck.

Acura competes with Infiniti

Infiniti competes with Lexus

Lexus competes with Mercedes and BMW

BMW and Mercedes compete against each other

...and Audi, is somewhere in between but with no real hold on the market.

Again, price reflects the economy of scale.

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you're wrong bmw does not build better car than audi but they have a better marketing strategy and brand name advertising. The product line is a little more focused true but in terms of quality BMW is certainly not better than audi and i am talking about everything not just interior.
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      12-15-2009, 08:24 PM   #409
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you're wrong bmw does not build better car than audi but they have a better marketing strategy and brand name advertising. The product line is a little more focused true but in terms of quality BMW is certainly not better than audi and i am talking about everything not just interior.
i think its very subjective. to say either one makes overall better cars is impossible. the m3 may be superior to the rs4, but the r8 superior to the m6 or something - but to say OBJECTIVELY that one brand is better than the other in general is impossible.
and i am no bmw fanboy...and less so an audi one.
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      05-13-2010, 06:26 PM   #410
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does anyone find it is ridiculous everytime this guy has to jump in and put bmw down and praise porsche? i see it in every single thread about bmw performance car.

how exactly do you know it won't perform? you have driven it already?

somtimes it seems like the only reason why he drives a z4m is so he has reason to argue that he owns a bmw and thus he is not nut hugging porsche when giving a comment in this forum.

really, it is getting cheesy.

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LOL...not really. Wont perform, drive or thrill the way a GT3/GT3 RS does.

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      05-13-2010, 07:12 PM   #411
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I wasn't intenting to turn this to an Audi topic, I only chose to show why I feel BMW will have a hard time selling the GTS in the US. Audi didn't follow their led and that is why it's R8 doesn't suffer the same value image problems for the reasons I listed above.

After that post all I have done is try to explain this. So sorry for taking it off topic.
The R8 sells because it's basically getting a more civil Gallardo at an Audi price. It's a damn good looking car, and the press LOVES the car.
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      05-13-2010, 07:20 PM   #412
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Notice how much shorter the ratios are in all 7 gears.
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      05-13-2010, 08:20 PM   #413
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are they going to sell the parts?
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      05-13-2010, 10:05 PM   #414
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for its price it aint worth it, i heard some performance parts will be awailable for M3s soon but dont know if they are the gts parts
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      05-14-2010, 04:36 AM   #415
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So it's going to be pretty close to the Porker GT3 in terms of numbers then...

.. but the engine's in the right place, and it doesn't look like a Photoshopped Beetle RSI... I guess I'll take mine in Orange then!
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Even if some M3 GTS parts will be available for the standerd M3, it will not run 7:40 min on the Ring, but best 7:50 min. Yet it may even happen the M3 GTS runs 7:30 on the Ring and so will be faster than a 911 GT3, as fast as a 911 GT3 RS but the the price of a 911 GT3. If the M3 GTS under 7:40 min, it is very good, as it seems it lost only 70 kg.
M3 E46: 1560 kg
M3 E92: 1675 kg
M3 CSL E46: 1460 kg
M3 GTS E92: 1605 kg

The next M3 F22 might be a very fast car as it will be under 1600 kg, maybe 1560 kg as the M3 E46 but with > 450 HP and > 500 Nm.
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      05-14-2010, 09:01 AM   #417
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Even if some M3 GTS parts will be available for the standerd M3, it will not run 7:40 min on the Ring, but best 7:50 min. Yet it may even happen the M3 GTS runs 7:30 on the Ring and so will be faster than a 911 GT3, as fast as a 911 GT3 RS but the the price of a 911 GT3. If the M3 GTS under 7:40 min, it is very good, as it seems it lost only 70 kg.
M3 E46: 1560 kg
M3 E92: 1675 kg
M3 CSL E46: 1460 kg
M3 GTS E92: 1605 kg

The next M3 F22 might be a very fast car as it will be under 1600 kg, maybe 1560 kg as the M3 E46 but with > 450 HP and > 500 Nm.
something doesn't add up though. with light weight front seat and rear seat delete, plus all other weight saving measure, i don't see how it only loose 70kg compare to the e92 m3.
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      05-14-2010, 12:28 PM   #418
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something doesn't add up though. with light weight front seat and rear seat delete, plus all other weight saving measure, i don't see how it only loose 70kg compare to the e92 m3.
I do not know how it got from 1490 kg to 1605 kg.
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