Anyone know why Eisenmann black costs $500 more

LarThaL · 03-09-2012, 03:38 PM

It seems to me that the black painted Eisenmann muffler is a little pricey compared to the standard units. Is there something special about this paint? Is it a ceramic coating or something? Seems like I could do the same thing with a couple of $7 cans of hi-temp paint. I could see like $100 more, but $500 more ???

Brainofjjj · 03-09-2012, 03:54 PM

I know the tips were not ceramic coated when they first came out. I had one and it flaked after 2 track days. I think they have changed the process and it's ceramic now. I would never buy one that wasn't black, but that's just me.

No idea why it's so much more, I can see $200.

Moxie · 03-10-2012, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by VVG

It seems to me that the black painted Eisenmann muffler is a little pricey compared to the standard units. Is there something special about this paint? Is it a ceramic coating or something? Seems like I could do the same thing with a couple of $7 cans of hi-temp paint. I could see like $100 more, but $500 more ???

It's $500 more because many people will pay it rather then doing it themselves -

rjd598 · 03-10-2012, 10:00 AM

Capitalism

Trevor .:R · 03-10-2012, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by rjd598

Capitalism

Hehe.

1MOREMOD · 03-10-2012, 12:50 PM

second that

Stainless 45 · 03-10-2012, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by jzbm3

It's a high temp ceramic coating, the same kind used by Harley Davidson for many of their parts.

A can of black spray paint will give you a similar look but won't be nearly as durable.

Just make sure to wait until after you install it to spray paint it.

kitw · 03-10-2012, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jzbm3

It's a high temp ceramic coating, the same kind used by Harley Davidson for many of their parts.

A can of black spray paint will give you a similar look but won't be nearly as durable.

I have been shocked at how good the DEI silicon high temp coating is.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...SIN=B000MY1RB0

It looks better than a few powdercoat jobs I've seen and holds up better than powdercoating exhaust bits. (more impact resistant)

Moxie · 03-11-2012, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by kitw

I have been shocked at how good the DEI silicon high temp coating is.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...SIN=B000MY1RB0

It looks better than a few powdercoat jobs I've seen and holds up better than powdercoating exhaust bits. (more impact resistant)

Thanks for the link - How many cans to do the Eisenmann?

tibra1 · 03-11-2012, 04:50 AM

Hilarious..

1MOREMOD · 03-11-2012, 11:20 AM

no not at all!

tibra1 · 03-11-2012, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SehrSchnell

Wait... do you think exhaust systems are overpriced in general?

I think some degreaser..some brillo pads and a couple of cans of VHT exhaust paint and its job done..for about $25

BMWJ · 03-11-2012, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by rjd598

Capitalism

+1 same reason they get away with the other $3k you spend on it

GOVCO · 03-12-2012, 05:07 PM

"Eisenmann's M3 Black Series exhaust system features 4x83mm high gloss black LeMans tips, sport or race sound options, a high temp coated canister...."

High gloss black LeMans tips, and the high coated canister make it more expensive. Not sure about the $500 MSRP price tag. But who pays that anyways.

IND-Distribution · 03-13-2012, 12:45 PM

The black series finishing process remains a fairly costly one. During the finishing process the entire canister is media blasted for proper adhesion of the black finish. The tips are carefully masked while the canister finish is applied, and the canister is then baked at 450 degrees to cure, allowed to cool, and then masked again so that a gloss black finish can be applied to the tips.

The coating material lays on like a powder and the matte black finish of the canister has been specifically selected for it's temperature tolerance.

Of course, you could certainly get a similar look yourself, but to copy this finish you'd need to invest in a large oven, the necessary guns to apply the high temp powder, the powder itself, media blasting equipment and so on. A can of VHT high temp black paint will produce a nice high temp finish too and there's nothing wrong with taking the DIY approach. There are those who choose to use our finishing process, and it is typically because they can appreciate the value of the carefully applied finish, especially once the exhaust system arrives and they are able to see the work in person.

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GOVCO Lieutenant 16 Rep 439 Posts Drives: 09 E90 AW M3 DCT [Slight Mods] Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: MD iTrader: (0)	"Eisenmann's M3 Black Series exhaust system features 4x83mm high gloss black LeMans tips, sport or race sound options, a high temp coated canister...." High gloss black LeMans tips, and the high coated canister make it more expensive. Not sure about the $500 MSRP price tag. But who pays that anyways.
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IND-Distribution BimmerPost Supporting Vendor 9581 Rep 10,875 Posts Drives: G82 M4 / G87 M2 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Chicago iTrader: (3)	The black series finishing process remains a fairly costly one. During the finishing process the entire canister is media blasted for proper adhesion of the black finish. The tips are carefully masked while the canister finish is applied, and the canister is then baked at 450 degrees to cure, allowed to cool, and then masked again so that a gloss black finish can be applied to the tips. The coating material lays on like a powder and the matte black finish of the canister has been specifically selected for it's temperature tolerance. Of course, you could certainly get a similar look yourself, but to copy this finish you'd need to invest in a large oven, the necessary guns to apply the high temp powder, the powder itself, media blasting equipment and so on. A can of VHT high temp black paint will produce a nice high temp finish too and there's nothing wrong with taking the DIY approach. There are those who choose to use our finishing process, and it is typically because they can appreciate the value of the carefully applied finish, especially once the exhaust system arrives and they are able to see the work in person. __________________ IND DISTRIBUTION \| 866-963-4520 • INSTAGRAM • YOUTUBE • FACEBOOK • FLICKR
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