VW drivers with attitude

Powerslide · 11-27-2008, 03:33 PM

I know this is similar to a thread topic started quite a few months ago - but since owning my M3 beginning in July, I've noticed that the one make of car that seems to initiate aggressive acceleration around me are various VW's... I find this strange, given that mustangs, camaros, STi's, Evos, and other similar cars' owners (at least in my experience) do not seem to do this?

Anyone else notice such a trend with VW or other makes' owners? (Any by the way - no offense to the many great VW owners' out there and I do think VW makes a great car - I absolutely destroyed them each time).

kmac1980 · 11-27-2008, 03:36 PM

yeah, GTI drivers especially love to race it seems...

I actually had a really fun encounter with one in my old e90 330i around the quebec/NY state border on some empty strech of road.... was pretty close for the most part. I took him as the speeds went 180kmph+ (115mph), but he was a good sport and gave the thumbs up after we cooled off....

GnokGnik · 11-27-2008, 06:36 PM

My neighbor owns a new modded GTI with "V8 EATER" or something along those lines as his license plate. Of course he has that loud obnoxious exhaust so I know when he leaves for work in the mornings.

FStop7 · 11-28-2008, 01:07 AM

I read this somewhere - "VW Jetta: No matter how fast you drive and weave through traffic, it won't transform into a 3 series."

Powerslide · 11-28-2008, 07:32 AM

I guess I just don't understand the mindset of some of these drivers - it would be like me in my stock E93 trying to compete against a Z06 or Viper who pulled up next to me - I love my car, and yes it's a high performer, but let's be realistic here!!

I guess I'm curious as to what percentage of such drivers "with attitude" and who can't back it up fall into each of the following categories:

1) know nothing about cars (in other words, think an old beat up 7-8 year old Jetta with cheesy yellow headlights, a half-fallen-off front bumper and a coffee can exhaust actually has a chance vs. new but fully broken-in M3);

2) actually do know that certain cars are faster than most (M, AMG, corvette, etc.) but are so emotionally wrapped up in their own cars (i.e., same crappy old Jetta as above) that they nevetheless think they can compete if they step on the gas hard enough;

or

3) know the respective cars are mismatched, but just want to see what the faster car can do (newer VW with 2.0T engine - very nice and capable car, but still a mismatch, so why bother)?

I guess this is just one of those issues of human psychology (as expressed through people's cars) that I've always found interesting...

NYSPEM3 · 11-28-2008, 07:40 AM

Hmm I haven't had a VW trying to race me (or annoy me into a race). Civic Si and E9x 3xx's on the other hand....
Even had a Jeep Grand Cherokee (NOT the SRT one) and a Honda Pilot trying to instigate a stoplight race. What the heck?

Powerslide · 11-28-2008, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by NYSPEM3

Hmm I haven't had a VW trying to race me (or annoy me into a race). Civic Si and E9x 3xx's on the other hand....
Even had a Jeep Grand Cherokee (NOT the SRT one) and a Honda Pilot trying to instigate a stoplight race. What the heck?

Yes - I also noticed a new Jeep Grand Cherokee do the same thing to me, and once I noticed it also was not the SRT, I also thought "what the heck.." was it ignorance, ego, jealousy, or all of the above? Guess it's just going to vary from driver to driver, but still makes me think

MMMorish · 11-28-2008, 08:38 AM

I haven't had any VW's try but I did have a Camaro try just recently. Notice the word "try".

spearfisher · 11-28-2008, 10:12 AM

yeah I know what you mean, I think it's the individual also, but I did have a GTI fly by me the other day and slow down to try and bait me into a race. go figure.

but I think more the individual, I've met guys with all type of cars that are cool and tools

kmac1980 · 11-28-2008, 10:19 AM

honestly guys, a lot of very "pedestrian" cars will try to egg you on in your Ms simply because they want to see/hear your car take off from the stoplight, not because they actually want to race you... so if its safe, and within reason, put on a little "show" for them and brighten up their day LOL

shchow · 11-28-2008, 02:45 PM

Interesting you should bring this up.
In the year and half of owning my car, I've had 2 'challenges'. One was an E46 M3, the other was a modded VW Jetta (it had some tuner badge on the trunk).

Buschy · 11-28-2008, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kmac1980

honestly guys, a lot of very "pedestrian" cars will try to egg you on in your Ms simply because they want to see/hear your car take off from the stoplight, not because they actually want to race you... so if its safe, and within reason, put on a little "show" for them and brighten up their day LOL

I agree, I do think that some of these people dont actually think they will beat you, they just want to see a badass car go..............

sayemthree · 11-28-2008, 06:36 PM

I thnk they like to mod thier V-dubs and they want to see if it helped. its pretty easy to get 300 hp out of the 2.0T motor.

Powerslide · 11-29-2008, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Powerslide

I guess I just don't understand the mindset of some of these drivers - it would be like me in my stock E93 trying to compete against a Z06 or Viper who pulled up next to me - I love my car, and yes it's a high performer, but let's be realistic here!!

I guess I'm curious as to what percentage of such drivers "with attitude" and who can't back it up fall into each of the following categories:

1) know nothing about cars (in other words, think an old beat up 7-8 year old Jetta with cheesy yellow headlights, a half-fallen-off front bumper and a coffee can exhaust actually has a chance vs. new but fully broken-in M3);

2) actually do know that certain cars are faster than most (M, AMG, corvette, etc.) but are so emotionally wrapped up in their own cars (i.e., same crappy old Jetta as above) that they nevetheless think they can compete if they step on the gas hard enough;

or

3) know the respective cars are mismatched, but just want to see what the faster car can do (newer VW with 2.0T engine - very nice and capable car, but still a mismatch, so why bother)?

I guess this is just one of those issues of human psychology (as expressed through people's cars) that I've always found interesting...

I agree with the last couple of posters that a lot of those people just want to see what the car can do. I guess when you have people who then catch up to you, tailgate you and continue to try to pass you (the crappy old Jetta with cheesy yellow headlights), then you know it's either option 1 or 2 (I think 2 in that case)...

E90ice · 11-29-2008, 05:14 PM

It's funny that you are complaining about other drives attitude, when M3 owners attitude is one of the worst ever.

Check out some of the other threads.

76 posts...Yep, you are definitely new here.

Powerslide · 11-30-2008, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by E90ice

It's funny that you are complaining about other drives attitude, when M3 owners attitude is one of the worst ever.

Check out some of the other threads.

76 posts...Yep, you are definitely new here.

Great point - after only 76 posts - even I have noticed that - it's easy to see why a lot of people don't like Bimmer drivers, particularly those with M3's...

I guess I consider myself and (hopefully) most others on this forum to be little more reasonable than those I'm referencing - like I said above, I'm not going to get all jacked up if a faster car passes by me - Viper, 911 turbo, etc... it's amazing how many people take it personally when you pass them - if I'm not in a hurry, I could care less if a minivan passes me...

sayemthree · 11-30-2008, 12:48 PM

check it out

http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69278

kmax1980 · 11-30-2008, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by sayemthree

check it out

http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69278

I love how all these VW enthusiasts seem to think the only gauge of a "fast car" is the acceleration from a roll, or trap speed...

This is the sad reality of life in a FWD car

Can you say "one trick pony"?

sayemthree · 11-30-2008, 06:36 PM

no doubt - they will only race from a roll. in my stock 200 hp FWD GTI I cant even floor it in first or part of second from a start.

however it does pretty well on a track.

sl0wcar · 12-02-2008, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by kmax1980

I love how all these VW enthusiasts seem to think the only gauge of a "fast car" is the acceleration from a roll, or trap speed...

This is the sad reality of life in a FWD car

Can you say "one trick pony"?

I have a GTI. I'll race from a dig.

BIGNTASTIE · 12-02-2008, 09:00 AM

GTI's want to race everyone

Trier Germany · 12-04-2008, 11:44 AM

When you have a driver with a tuned VW GTI and knows how to drive it. Ive seen a few VW's smoke a few M3's around the Nurburgring and the M3's that were getting passed were E-90,92 M3's. Most of the drivers of the M3's were Americans just because you own an M doesn't mean you know how to utilize a superior car. Street racing or 1/4 mile spurts are for big headed egos. If any one is a true M driver they would come out to germany and prove if they were worthy to take a few laps around the Nordshliefe (Green Hell) but if you get smoked by an inferior car you are not worthy of owning the M brand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!

11-27-2008, 03:33 PM	#1
Powerslide Colonel 1097 Rep 2,286 Posts Drives: 2018 F80 ZCP Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Chicago Illinois USA iTrader: (0)	VW drivers with attitude I know this is similar to a thread topic started quite a few months ago - but since owning my M3 beginning in July, I've noticed that the one make of car that seems to initiate aggressive acceleration around me are various VW's... I find this strange, given that mustangs, camaros, STi's, Evos, and other similar cars' owners (at least in my experience) do not seem to do this? Anyone else notice such a trend with VW or other makes' owners? (Any by the way - no offense to the many great VW owners' out there and I do think VW makes a great car - I absolutely destroyed them each time).
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kmac1980 Major 36 Rep 1,039 Posts Drives: '19 540xi Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: toronto iTrader: (1)	yeah, GTI drivers especially love to race it seems... I actually had a really fun encounter with one in my old e90 330i around the quebec/NY state border on some empty strech of road.... was pretty close for the most part. I took him as the speeds went 180kmph+ (115mph), but he was a good sport and gave the thumbs up after we cooled off....
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GnokGnik Captain 17 Rep 936 Posts Drives: E92 335i, 997 C2S Join Date: May 2008 Location: SoCal iTrader: (0)	My neighbor owns a new modded GTI with "V8 EATER" or something along those lines as his license plate. Of course he has that loud obnoxious exhaust so I know when he leaves for work in the mornings.
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Powerslide Colonel 1097 Rep 2,286 Posts Drives: 2018 F80 ZCP Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Chicago Illinois USA iTrader: (0)	I guess I just don't understand the mindset of some of these drivers - it would be like me in my stock E93 trying to compete against a Z06 or Viper who pulled up next to me - I love my car, and yes it's a high performer, but let's be realistic here!! I guess I'm curious as to what percentage of such drivers "with attitude" and who can't back it up fall into each of the following categories: 1) know nothing about cars (in other words, think an old beat up 7-8 year old Jetta with cheesy yellow headlights, a half-fallen-off front bumper and a coffee can exhaust actually has a chance vs. new but fully broken-in M3); 2) actually do know that certain cars are faster than most (M, AMG, corvette, etc.) but are so emotionally wrapped up in their own cars (i.e., same crappy old Jetta as above) that they nevetheless think they can compete if they step on the gas hard enough; or 3) know the respective cars are mismatched, but just want to see what the faster car can do (newer VW with 2.0T engine - very nice and capable car, but still a mismatch, so why bother)? I guess this is just one of those issues of human psychology (as expressed through people's cars) that I've always found interesting...
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NYSPEM3 Second Lieutenant 10 Rep 221 Posts Drives: E90 M3 DCT Join Date: May 2008 Location: NYC iTrader: (0)	Hmm I haven't had a VW trying to race me (or annoy me into a race). Civic Si and E9x 3xx's on the other hand.... Even had a Jeep Grand Cherokee (NOT the SRT one) and a Honda Pilot trying to instigate a stoplight race. What the heck? __________________ -------------------------------------------------- E90 M3 DCT Interlagos Blue/Silver Interior, Tech Pkg, Prem Pkg, Folddown Seats, 19"... that's it Certified V1 Zombie
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spearfisher Lieutenant 12 Rep 409 Posts Drives: C6 ZO6 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: FL iTrader: (0)	yeah I know what you mean, I think it's the individual also, but I did have a GTI fly by me the other day and slow down to try and bait me into a race. go figure. but I think more the individual, I've met guys with all type of cars that are cool and tools Last edited by spearfisher; 11-28-2008 at 11:51 AM..
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kmac1980 Major 36 Rep 1,039 Posts Drives: '19 540xi Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: toronto iTrader: (1)	honestly guys, a lot of very "pedestrian" cars will try to egg you on in your Ms simply because they want to see/hear your car take off from the stoplight, not because they actually want to race you... so if its safe, and within reason, put on a little "show" for them and brighten up their day LOL
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shchow Second Lieutenant 12 Rep 294 Posts Drives: 2010 CTS-V sedan, black raven Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Hainesport, New Jersey iTrader: (0)	Interesting you should bring this up. In the year and half of owning my car, I've had 2 'challenges'. One was an E46 M3, the other was a modded VW Jetta (it had some tuner badge on the trunk). __________________ Current rides: 2010 CTS-V sedan, black raven; 2010 Cadillac Escalade ESV, black raven Gone but not forgotten: 2008 M5, metallic sapphire black, SMG; 2004 645ci, metallic sapphire black, SMG
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E90ice Banned 205 Rep 2,002 Posts Drives: 2008 335xi Coupe Join Date: May 2006 Location: WA iTrader: (0)	It's funny that you are complaining about other drives attitude, when M3 owners attitude is one of the worst ever. Check out some of the other threads. 76 posts...Yep, you are definitely new here. __________________
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sayemthree Major General 597 Rep 5,448 Posts Drives: ‘20 X3mC ‘20 Raptor ‘04 X3 6mt Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: usa so cal , AZ iTrader: (0)	check it out http://www.golfmkv.com/forums/showthread.php?t=69278 __________________ Fore Sale Rare 6 speed manual X3 3.oi silver over grey. PM me
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sayemthree Major General 597 Rep 5,448 Posts Drives: ‘20 X3mC ‘20 Raptor ‘04 X3 6mt Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: usa so cal , AZ iTrader: (0)	no doubt - they will only race from a roll. in my stock 200 hp FWD GTI I cant even floor it in first or part of second from a start. however it does pretty well on a track. __________________ Fore Sale Rare 6 speed manual X3 3.oi silver over grey. PM me
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12-02-2008, 09:00 AM	#21
BIGNTASTIE Lieutenant 35 Rep 589 Posts Drives: white/red 08 M3, 05 Rangerover Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: queens, NY iTrader: (0)	GTI's want to race everyone
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Trier Germany Banned 58 Rep 1,084 Posts Drives: 2009 E-90 M3 space gray Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Deutschland KreisTrier auf Autobahn 64 & Tucson AZ iTrader: (1)	VW GTI's When you have a driver with a tuned VW GTI and knows how to drive it. Ive seen a few VW's smoke a few M3's around the Nurburgring and the M3's that were getting passed were E-90,92 M3's. Most of the drivers of the M3's were Americans just because you own an M doesn't mean you know how to utilize a superior car. Street racing or 1/4 mile spurts are for big headed egos. If any one is a true M driver they would come out to germany and prove if they were worthy to take a few laps around the Nordshliefe (Green Hell) but if you get smoked by an inferior car you are not worthy of owning the M brand!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!
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