Rear ended twice in 3 weeks...

bing240sx · 09-08-2013, 10:24 AM

So I had a pretty terrible few weeks in my E90 M3.

back in August I was just leaving the barber shop with my two kids in the back and my dad in the front seat on teh way to go go-karting. stopped at an intersection about 6 cars back and stopped for a while... some 50+ year old woman smashed into the back of me and pushed me into the car ahead...

kids were fine, nothing broken on my dad or I. I got out, FURIOUS!!!, and started yelling at the woman but saw that her airbags went off and that she was in pretty rough shape so I cooled it a bit.

Ambulance, police, street shut down blah blah blah... doesnt look like much damage below... pretty much just 2 bumpers and some work on the trunk but in an M3 it adds up to $17k. All pics are cell phone pics from the scene.

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So the car is out of commission at Budds Collision (BMW certified) for a few weeks. I go pick it up this past tuesday... car looks awesome... all the paint chips etc. in the bumper and hood are gone with the fresh paint, i have a new Dinan exhaust, things are cool...

I drive it home and like 5 minutes later on the QEW i'm stopped again in traffic... and a 40+ year old Vietnamese guy in a Ford Edge smashes into the back of me and pushes me into the car ahead of me... I HAVE ONLY HAD THE CAR BACK FOR 5 MINUTES!!!!!!!!

It's a bit harder than before... carbon grills gone, hood buckled and the trunk is hit harder than before... will need to be replaced this time... total isn't in yet but it's around $25k this time with the extra parts.

being that we were on the QEW we had 4 tow trucks on scene before the police and I had quite the argument with one of them that wanted to hook my car... this time I went off the handle a bit on the driver and the tow truck guy. The police heard over the radio and had to calm me down. This was rush hour on the highway and we were in the passing lane.

Cannot believe it and neither could anyone I called from the scene (body shop owner, manager, wife, colleagues that called me while i was there).

an hour later and I'm right back at Budd's again... no ETA on when repairs will be completed. Needless to say, bye bye resale value... have to mile-out the car now

The car is pretty solid though... my air bags didnt go off either time and to be honest the impact wasn't that bad even though i'm whip-lashed hard... heck i was still feeling like shit from the previous accident and now i have another identical one. None of the lights were damaged in either case as well... makes me feel pretty confident about the safety of the car.

I don't want to hear any of this "at least your safe" crap either... a car like this isn't just a car and according to insurers it's probably worth more than a lost limb or lost vision so let's all feel terrible for a moment please. And now the resale / trade-in value on the car is wiped out completely with two claims like this in such a short period of time.

Oh wells... car is still in warranty and i'll grab the extended warranty and get what enjoyment i can out of it... It will be worth more in parts by the time i'm through with it. I was hoping to trade it in on an F30 M3 but that likely wont happen now.

Vervain · 09-08-2013, 10:54 AM

As requested, I'm not going to sugarcoat..That's pretty messed up and I feel terrible for you!
You have the worst luck ever and I'm really sorry about that.

I've been in a similar accident situation (but not twice in a row, sheesh) where a guy rammed me from the back at a very high speed, while I was at a stop at a traffic light. I kept on holding my brakes in and so I moved not far into the cross-traffic area. Luckily nobody was passing at that instance. I've learnt from that experience that BMWs are such solid cars. One thing I should mention is that I only found out after the accident that the airbags are not deployed when rear-ended, no matter the force of impact. I was told that seat-belts are sufficient to keep you in place in that instance. But I would have expected for your airbags to have deployed since you hit a car in front of you.

I hope everything works out for you and that you get a decent resale value for yours (mine was pretty good even though the entire back end of the car was unrecognizable). Let's hope that the E90 M3 becomes highly valuable soon!

baba louey · 09-08-2013, 01:08 PM

That is bad luck! Over the years I've come to the realization that driving is a 100% time consuming task. Anything less than 100% and your odds of an accident go up significantly. Did any of the rear-enders have a cell phone in hand when the crash occurred?

PhillyNate · 09-08-2013, 01:12 PM

WOW! Good luck to OP.

nullrouted · 09-08-2013, 01:22 PM

Those women drivers...

GOLFFRR · 09-08-2013, 01:37 PM

STALKER · 09-08-2013, 02:21 PM

That freakin sucks!!!!!

I had s similar situation in my old MB. Hope they get the car back to you soon before the weather turns on us.

MOAB · 09-08-2013, 03:14 PM

It is just a car.

That should be more evident to you as a father.

NELSON.MLGB · 09-08-2013, 03:34 PM

Dinan badge brings bad luck lol?...

Poppin Fresh · 09-08-2013, 03:47 PM

I would be pissed off the charts as well if I was in your situation. Sounds like a good starting point for being a weekend track car though.

tlaselva · 09-08-2013, 05:27 PM

Shit happens. It's only a car, and they can and will be replaced.

Put things in context, it could have been alot worse.

Stop looking for sympathy, and consider yourself lucky.

Gearhead999s · 09-08-2013, 07:15 PM

Push your insurance to get the car written off.You do not want a car that has major accident repairs.If they will not write it off then push them for a settlement on accelerated depreciation.I deal with this everyday and reselling a higher end vehicle with accident damage as reported by Carproof is a big hit to the pockitbook down the road.Especially when it is a not at fault incidents.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe...rticle9454999/

Millie · 09-08-2013, 10:12 PM

I bought my M3 with over 10k in repairs from a hail storm. Everything was repaired professionally, the trunk and panels were PDR'd and the hood was replaced - can't even tell there was anything wrong with it. Other then that the car is perfect mechanically. If you were to resell the vehicle with all repairs listed, a true enthusiast won't care about some cosmetic damage, I sure as hell didn't.

Chowster · 09-09-2013, 12:34 AM

Holy... terrible luck. Sorry to hear. I'd be pissed too!!!

N1tr0gen · 09-09-2013, 10:02 AM

Rear ended wont be considered cosmetic... especially since pictures do not follow up the carproof the extent of repairs is not known and the worst is assumed. I'd do as Gearhead said.

drchuck72 · 09-09-2013, 01:19 PM

I'm sorry to hear about your luck. I feel for you. It sucks when bad things happen to your car due to the negligence of others. Thankfully nobody was hurt in either instance.

Sadly, you won't be able to get another new E90 M3.

I just got rear ended this weekend. I was stopped at a red light and a car hit me from behind and pushed me into a pickup truck in front of me. Took my front plate right off and caused some damage to my front bumper as I went under the rear bumper of the pickup. The woman in the car that hit me was driving a crappy 15+ yr old Ford Escort. She got out of her car blubbering "OH! I'M SO SORRY! IT'S MY FIRST ACCIDENT!" while the guy in the pickup started ripping her a new one. The guy in the pickup started back to his vehicle to get his license, registration and insurance when the lady looked at the back of my wife's Odyssey and remarked, 'Oh, there's no damage', though there clearly was and she didn't even look at the front of the Odyssey and said 'Thank you!' got in her car and drove off!

Neither of us could believe what had just happened but we both managed to keep our wits about us enough to get her plate number.

Got an email from the Police Officer who came to the scene saying that they had contacted the woman who owned the car and that they would be talking to her this evening.

Good luck with your car. Hope everything gets sorted out to your satisfaction.

Glad you're okay.

DrC

bobblehead · 09-09-2013, 02:12 PM

^ wow. I bet that lady hit you did not have insurance at all, that's why hit & run, criminal offence to be added on

btw, I have seen your car at the 'morning & coffee - EA Sunday roundup meet', you have a nice car.

airwave808 · 09-09-2013, 03:31 PM

Very sorry to hear about your loss. No insurance can replace the waste of time and overall dealing with something like this twice. I agree with Duncan that you should push the insurance company to write the vehicle off.

nullrouted · 09-09-2013, 03:41 PM

Hey OP -- Shouldn't you be filing 2 individual lawsuits right about now? You've got 2 perfect zero-fault rear-end collisions, loads of pics, police reports, etc... You may be driving a brand new F10 M5 or better by the time you're done!

drchuck72 · 09-09-2013, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bobblehead

^ wow. I bet that lady hit you did not have insurance at all, that's why hit & run, criminal offence to be added on

btw, I have seen your car at the 'morning & coffee - EA Sunday roundup meet', you have a nice car.

I hope to GOD she has insurance because if she doesn't, I will have to pay a deductible to fix my car

nullrouted · 09-09-2013, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by drchuck72

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Originally Posted by bobblehead

^ wow. I bet that lady hit you did not have insurance at all, that's why hit & run, criminal offence to be added on

btw, I have seen your car at the 'morning & coffee - EA Sunday roundup meet', you have a nice car.

I hope to GOD she has insurance because if she doesn't, I will have to pay a deductible to fix my car

Can't you just sue your own insurance in that case for your UM limit?

bing240sx · 09-09-2013, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by bobblehead

btw, I have seen your car at the 'morning & coffee - EA Sunday roundup meet', you have a nice car.

not me... I am good friends with the GM at EA but i havent been to one of those events... too far for me to drive.

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Originally Posted by nullrouted

Hey OP -- Shouldn't you be filing 2 individual lawsuits right about now? You've got 2 perfect zero-fault rear-end collisions, loads of pics, police reports, etc... You may be driving a brand new F10 M5 or better by the time you're done!

Canada's legal system works much differently than the US one and it's way tighter than Florida's for sure. Basically there isnt much i can do right now. I'll have to revisit it next year.

Canada, outside BC, has no precedent for diminished value claims and reputable law firms will not take those kinds of cases unless there is a AB claim or various other compensable losses attached to it.

The car is at a BMW certified collision repair shop, arguably the best in Canada, and it's getting the VIP treatment so i wont have an issue with the repaired car. The damage on the second accident was still non-structural so it didnt get up near the total loss-threshold.

It's just as well. Even if i got the $ for a totalled car the cost of switching over the mods onto another M3 would have eaten up any of the gains i could have made anyways. At the end of the day i just want to drive the car.

Not soliciting sympathy or advice here. All is well in hand. I am simply putting the info / pics out there for discussion purposes. If i do sell the car I have a reputation for being a legit seller so it's not like i would have or even could have hidden this from any potential buyer anyways.

09-08-2013, 10:24 AM	#1
bing240sx Captain 121 Rep 681 Posts Drives: F87 M2C /// E90 M3 ESS-VT2 Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Canada iTrader: (2)	Rear ended twice in 3 weeks... So I had a pretty terrible few weeks in my E90 M3. back in August I was just leaving the barber shop with my two kids in the back and my dad in the front seat on teh way to go go-karting. stopped at an intersection about 6 cars back and stopped for a while... some 50+ year old woman smashed into the back of me and pushed me into the car ahead... kids were fine, nothing broken on my dad or I. I got out, FURIOUS!!!, and started yelling at the woman but saw that her airbags went off and that she was in pretty rough shape so I cooled it a bit. Ambulance, police, street shut down blah blah blah... doesnt look like much damage below... pretty much just 2 bumpers and some work on the trunk but in an M3 it adds up to $17k. All pics are cell phone pics from the scene. . . . . . .. . . . . . . So the car is out of commission at Budds Collision (BMW certified) for a few weeks. I go pick it up this past tuesday... car looks awesome... all the paint chips etc. in the bumper and hood are gone with the fresh paint, i have a new Dinan exhaust, things are cool... I drive it home and like 5 minutes later on the QEW i'm stopped again in traffic... and a 40+ year old Vietnamese guy in a Ford Edge smashes into the back of me and pushes me into the car ahead of me... I HAVE ONLY HAD THE CAR BACK FOR 5 MINUTES!!!!!!!! It's a bit harder than before... carbon grills gone, hood buckled and the trunk is hit harder than before... will need to be replaced this time... total isn't in yet but it's around $25k this time with the extra parts. being that we were on the QEW we had 4 tow trucks on scene before the police and I had quite the argument with one of them that wanted to hook my car... this time I went off the handle a bit on the driver and the tow truck guy. The police heard over the radio and had to calm me down. This was rush hour on the highway and we were in the passing lane. Cannot believe it and neither could anyone I called from the scene (body shop owner, manager, wife, colleagues that called me while i was there). an hour later and I'm right back at Budd's again... no ETA on when repairs will be completed. Needless to say, bye bye resale value... have to mile-out the car now The car is pretty solid though... my air bags didnt go off either time and to be honest the impact wasn't that bad even though i'm whip-lashed hard... heck i was still feeling like shit from the previous accident and now i have another identical one. None of the lights were damaged in either case as well... makes me feel pretty confident about the safety of the car. I don't want to hear any of this "at least your safe" crap either... a car like this isn't just a car and according to insurers it's probably worth more than a lost limb or lost vision so let's all feel terrible for a moment please. And now the resale / trade-in value on the car is wiped out completely with two claims like this in such a short period of time. Oh wells... car is still in warranty and i'll grab the extended warranty and get what enjoyment i can out of it... It will be worth more in parts by the time i'm through with it. I was hoping to trade it in on an F30 M3 but that likely wont happen now. __________________ FACEBOOK GROUPS: Canadian BMW M-Cars /// Ontario Infiniti G & Nissan Z /// WEB: NYSPEED.com
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Vervain Colonel 398 Rep 2,181 Posts Drives: . Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: - iTrader: (0) Garage List 2018 Audi RSQ3 (8U) [0.00] 2022 BMW X3 xDrive3 ... [10.00] 2015 BMW M235i (F22) [10.00] 2017 Mini Cooper S ... [0.00]	As requested, I'm not going to sugarcoat..That's pretty messed up and I feel terrible for you! You have the worst luck ever and I'm really sorry about that. I've been in a similar accident situation (but not twice in a row, sheesh) where a guy rammed me from the back at a very high speed, while I was at a stop at a traffic light. I kept on holding my brakes in and so I moved not far into the cross-traffic area. Luckily nobody was passing at that instance. I've learnt from that experience that BMWs are such solid cars. One thing I should mention is that I only found out after the accident that the airbags are not deployed when rear-ended, no matter the force of impact. I was told that seat-belts are sufficient to keep you in place in that instance. But I would have expected for your airbags to have deployed since you hit a car in front of you. I hope everything works out for you and that you get a decent resale value for yours (mine was pretty good even though the entire back end of the car was unrecognizable). Let's hope that the E90 M3 becomes highly valuable soon!
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baba louey First Lieutenant 64 Rep 303 Posts Drives: 2012 M3 6sp ZCP Mel red coupe Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: calgary iTrader: (0)	That is bad luck! Over the years I've come to the realization that driving is a 100% time consuming task. Anything less than 100% and your odds of an accident go up significantly. Did any of the rear-enders have a cell phone in hand when the crash occurred?
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nullrouted Studying... 36 Rep 860 Posts Drives: AW '13 E92 ZCP 6MT M3 Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: North Central Florida iTrader: (0)	Those women drivers...
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STALKER Brigadier General 169 Rep 3,831 Posts Drives: 997.2 GT3, Golf R Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Toronto, ON iTrader: (5)	That freakin sucks!!!!! I had s similar situation in my old MB. Hope they get the car back to you soon before the weather turns on us. __________________
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MOAB Major 18 Rep 1,077 Posts Drives: Porsche & BMW Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Toronto iTrader: (0)	It is just a car. That should be more evident to you as a father. __________________ March-November - '09 C4S (PDK, Akrapovic) December-February - '00 323 (only mod - snow tires)
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NELSON.MLGB Captain 41 Rep 702 Posts Drives: 2010 E92 JB M3 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Calgary,AB iTrader: (2)	Dinan badge brings bad luck lol?...
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Poppin Fresh Colonel 86 Rep 2,148 Posts Drives: With a sunroof and front plate Join Date: May 2009 Location: Bergen County NJ iTrader: (0)	I would be pissed off the charts as well if I was in your situation. Sounds like a good starting point for being a weekend track car though. __________________ Last edited by Poppin Fresh; 09-08-2013 at 03:53 PM..
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tlaselva Enlisted Member 0 Rep 39 Posts Drives: 2011 E90 M3 DCT Join Date: May 2011 Location: Ontario, Canada iTrader: (1)	Shit happens. It's only a car, and they can and will be replaced. Put things in context, it could have been alot worse. Stop looking for sympathy, and consider yourself lucky.
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Gearhead999s Major General 815 Rep 7,887 Posts Drives: RR Velar R=Dynamic M2C R1200GS Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Toronto iTrader: (0)	Push your insurance to get the car written off.You do not want a car that has major accident repairs.If they will not write it off then push them for a settlement on accelerated depreciation.I deal with this everyday and reselling a higher end vehicle with accident damage as reported by Carproof is a big hit to the pockitbook down the road.Especially when it is a not at fault incidents. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe...rticle9454999/
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Millie Lieutenant 120 Rep 595 Posts Drives: a bmw. Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Saskatchatoon iTrader: (1)	I bought my M3 with over 10k in repairs from a hail storm. Everything was repaired professionally, the trunk and panels were PDR'd and the hood was replaced - can't even tell there was anything wrong with it. Other then that the car is perfect mechanically. If you were to resell the vehicle with all repairs listed, a true enthusiast won't care about some cosmetic damage, I sure as hell didn't. __________________ 2022 Nissan Armada (big couch) 2017 Camaro SS 1LE - Gone 2008 SSII E90 6MT - Gone 2009 SG E92 DCT - Gone
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Chowster E60_to_E90 36 Rep 1,201 Posts Drives: 2011 E90 M3 Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Surrey, BC, Canada iTrader: (2)	Holy... terrible luck. Sorry to hear. I'd be pissed too!!! __________________ 2011.5 E90 Dinan M3, SS II, M-DCT, EDC, M Drive. 20" MORR VS8.2 wheels Performance Mods: Dinan St.1 suspension, exhaust, intake; TTPs; BPM St.II, DCT, servo tunes Cosmetic Mods: OEM CF splitters, mirrors, center console, spoiler; Arkym CF diffuser; LUX; tint
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09-09-2013, 10:02 AM	#15
N1tr0gen Private First Class 4 Rep 153 Posts Drives: M3Vert Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Canada iTrader: (1)	Rear ended wont be considered cosmetic... especially since pictures do not follow up the carproof the extent of repairs is not known and the worst is assumed. I'd do as Gearhead said.
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09-09-2013, 01:19 PM	#16
drchuck72 Lieutenant 69 Rep 473 Posts Drives: 2009 BMW M3 Coupe Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Toronto, ON iTrader: (9)	I'm sorry to hear about your luck. I feel for you. It sucks when bad things happen to your car due to the negligence of others. Thankfully nobody was hurt in either instance. Sadly, you won't be able to get another new E90 M3. I just got rear ended this weekend. I was stopped at a red light and a car hit me from behind and pushed me into a pickup truck in front of me. Took my front plate right off and caused some damage to my front bumper as I went under the rear bumper of the pickup. The woman in the car that hit me was driving a crappy 15+ yr old Ford Escort. She got out of her car blubbering "OH! I'M SO SORRY! IT'S MY FIRST ACCIDENT!" while the guy in the pickup started ripping her a new one. The guy in the pickup started back to his vehicle to get his license, registration and insurance when the lady looked at the back of my wife's Odyssey and remarked, 'Oh, there's no damage', though there clearly was and she didn't even look at the front of the Odyssey and said 'Thank you!' got in her car and drove off! Neither of us could believe what had just happened but we both managed to keep our wits about us enough to get her plate number. Got an email from the Police Officer who came to the scene saying that they had contacted the woman who owned the car and that they would be talking to her this evening. Good luck with your car. Hope everything gets sorted out to your satisfaction. Glad you're okay. DrC __________________ DR CHUCK 2009 E92 M3 Le Mans Blau on Schwartz. DCT. RAC RG63, KW V3, Eisenmann Race, AP Racing, Vorsteiner GTS5 Front Bumper, Vorsteiner GTS-V Rear Diffuser.
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bobblehead Brigadier General 256 Rep 4,721 Posts Drives: warp speed Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Toronto, On iTrader: (0)	^ wow. I bet that lady hit you did not have insurance at all, that's why hit & run, criminal offence to be added on btw, I have seen your car at the 'morning & coffee - EA Sunday roundup meet', you have a nice car.
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09-09-2013, 03:31 PM	#18
airwave808 First Lieutenant 30 Rep 375 Posts Drives: M4 GTS Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Tampa, Florida iTrader: (1)	Very sorry to hear about your loss. No insurance can replace the waste of time and overall dealing with something like this twice. I agree with Duncan that you should push the insurance company to write the vehicle off.
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nullrouted Studying... 36 Rep 860 Posts Drives: AW '13 E92 ZCP 6MT M3 Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: North Central Florida iTrader: (0)	Hey OP -- Shouldn't you be filing 2 individual lawsuits right about now? You've got 2 perfect zero-fault rear-end collisions, loads of pics, police reports, etc... You may be driving a brand new F10 M5 or better by the time you're done!
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