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just watched the complete episode. very entertaining and loved watching the M3 vs RS5 go head to head
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Just finished the full episode, the M3 RS5 comparo was very good, and the M3 deserved to win.
The Plowbine segment was a bit long and boring and the guest, despite how hot she is, was pretty bad. Her lap was really clean and I thought she was going to be quick but ah fail. Good episode overall!
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Even F1 drivers can have more than 1 sec different in the same car, same driver
I don't make conclusion that BMW is better for 1 lap drive
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So I would guess that under perfect conditions the m3 should be a little less then 2 sec faster around the top gear track. |
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02-22-2011, 05:25 AM | #137 | |
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The point still stands that the original poster that stated BMW are always better than Audi, Mercedes and Porsche was and still is wrong with that opinion, though this fact doesn't diminish that BMW make some of the greatest cars around. |
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02-22-2011, 05:35 AM | #139 |
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I was surprised, that the M3 was quicker in damp conditions. I would bet on the rs5.
On the other hand I completely agree, of what has been said there... ... I owned an AW e46 M3 ZCP and that was a BETTER M3 than the standard one, from the "new" ZCP I only like the wheels |
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02-22-2011, 08:26 AM | #141 |
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Was able to take an S5 for a spin and it is pretty comfortable and is a very good GT car. I'd take an M3 any day of the week though. Haven't driven an RS5. Anyone know if the RS5 is going to make it to the US ???
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not to mention the Top Gear track has a lot of really slow corners and was wet, both of which play to the Audi's strengths, which make the M3's victory that much sweeter. |
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I think that it's safe to assume that JC is quite familiar with EDC and M-Drive (..and that these parameters were set to his liking despite not being pinpointed on film). After all, he has seat time in other EDC equipped cars. FWIW, the new ZCP package DOES tout the fact that all three modes are now variable (..as opposed to only a variable Normal mode, and fixed Comfort/Sport modes in non-ZCP M3's), and that Sport mode has received a performance adjustment on the new M3. A modified EDC system, wheels and lowering springs ARE the ZCP package. |
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02-22-2011, 12:41 PM | #144 |
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The ZCP has features other than an active EDC sport setting. I certainly don't use it and i believe the M3 is fastest around the Nurburgring on the comfort setting. I can see that neither JC nor the Stig used traction control or MDM for that matter. I on the other hand I drive in MDM exclusively (dry and warm weather) during the summer months and enjoy the additional slip angle it allows over cars w/out the ZCP. I like the wheels and slight drop. Considering it cost me an additional $680 at the time......it was a no brainer. I am not hating the non ZCP cars but just the advanced MDM settings are enough for me. I am sure that the ZCP adds nothing for drivers like JC or the Stig.
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Are you being serious? 3-4 seconds on this track is another world. No chance.
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Ummm.... ...the ZCP's main features are 10mm lowered ride height, variable EDC modes and wheels. Other than what was already mentioned, what OTHER features are you referring to? MDM and fixed/variable EDC is available on non-ZCP M3's. There is no appreciable performance gain between them. And if my memory serves me correctly, the Nurburgring M3 was driven in Normal mode. |
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Do you not think that out of the number of comparison tests these two have had and the fact that the win count between them is all but even that this proves them to be quite evenly matched. Now if in your country the price difference is great then I could understand the argument for picking the M3 over the RS5, especially if you had no need for awd but if the price is similar as it is in the UK and the benefits of awd is genuine then I don't see a problem recommending either of them. |
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One thing I have to point out is that how the B7 RS4 was such a "driver's car" and yet the RS5 fails to do that. I understand they created a different type of a car, more of a GT, but in my opinion they should have left that part to the "S5" and gave us more of a "driver's car" with the RS5.
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the original m3 time that was previously on their board was the E90(sedan) stick M3.. silverstone if I remember correctly
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Sad truth is that they couldn't do it - if Audi had a 4 year old car that was regarded as the best in class and BMW M were told to design a car to beat it what do you think the result would be? You know the answer. Audi have produced some great drivers cars recently (RS4, R8) i just don't understand how they can be so hit and miss with their RS cars.
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02-22-2011, 02:42 PM | #153 | |
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The RS5 is a different car with clearly different goals, as you pointed out it's more of a GT yet it matches the M3's ability. Another thing worth mentioning is that because it's awd it's performance is easier to access, this might be a negative for those seeking something to push their own abilities but the reality is few of us could ever get close to matching the Stig's time in the M3 but might get a lot close in the RS5 just because it's limits are more approachable. Different cars with different driving styles and demands on the driver but each are brilliant in their own right. |
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Your memory fails you....it was AW
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