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BMW is now allowing any LL-01 oil for M engines
Newest oil supplier listing from BMW indicates that LL-01 approved oil are now suitable for our S65 and other M engines. I interpret this that you can now use your favorite 5W-30, 0W-40 or 0W30 LL-01 approved oil on your engine. My personal opinion is that lower viscosity oils should be used in colder climates or mild driving conditions while TWS should be used in hot climates or if you reach red line often. See attached pdf.
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they allow me to use whatever i want.
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So.... I'm not sure if I'm looking at this correctly, but I can't seem to find which oils BMW considers "long-life rating LL-01 Synthic oils"?
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BMW will tell you to just buy their oil which is LL-01.
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10-08-2013, 03:52 PM | #7 |
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The way I read it is: only LL-01 Synthetic oils for M vehicles.
Of those LL-01 oils, only two are recommended: 10w60 or 5W30. I'm pretty sure the 5W30 is only recommended for the M engines that use 5w30. So really there is no change, they still say 10w60 is the oil to use.
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BMW Longlife-04Special BMW approval for fully synthetic long-life oil. Viscosities are SAE 0W-30, 0W-40, 5W-30 and 5W-40. Usually required for BMWs equipped with a diesel particulate filter (DPF). Can also be used where a BMW Longlife-98 or BMW Longlife-01 oil is recommended.
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As far as I know there is only one 10w-60 out there, BMW's Catrol oil? Sooo... for the S65 engine, are there now more options than before or not really? At least if you're sticking with the recommended viscosity. |
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10-09-2013, 07:04 PM | #11 |
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I had yesterday a phone call with my BMW dealer and asked about the 5W30...( because i saw also another post of this oil)
The answer was ...yes on the new ///M turbo engines ! Than again me...and why not for the S-65 ? This answer was,the ///M development laboratory knows best what oil to use for the S-65 engine,and also..whe (you) guess...but they know ! Conclusion.... So for me only the Castrol TWS 10W60 ! Amen.... +
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Had a couple of PM's with a member of this forum (aussiem3)
He had contact with BMW Australia,the answer that he had there in Australia is the same as i had here in Belgium.... keep using Castrol TWS 10W60 !
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I can't public comment on what they said about the bearing issue, and let me say this, changing the oil is not a solution. With all bearing failures, BMW AG have dug deep through ECU downloads, and there had been other factors that have contributed to it. Let me say that. I have spoken with the very top in the BMW Australia technical department, and I have to say, that I believe him. He said keep changing the oil regularly, may be 6k km, and the engine will serve you well. "But please follow the prescribed warm up process." Just because BMW NA has issued a communique doesn't mean the rest of the world have to follow it. We need to take advice from our regional technical areas to confirm to BMW warranty issues. No flames please. Just FYI only.
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BMW Long-life rating LL-01 Synthetic Oils for BMW M vehicles equipped with S54, S62, S65 or S85 enginesThis DOES include the S65 (NA engine), and does NOT include the S63 or S55 engines (FI ///M engines used in turbo M5/M6 and upcoming M3/M4). Furthermore, the BMW announcement clearly says for cars in production at the present time (August 2013). That latter clause would exclude the turbo S55 engine in the upcoming M3/M4. Quote:
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Look what they say in Australia (aussiem3 see above) and in the UK,and here in Belgium.......?!?! And what i personal think about the bearing problems is that we need to follow strictly the warm up procedure with our S65 engine and that with any kind of oil ! I have seen people on this forum with 120,000 miles on it and more and that with the Castrol TWS 10W60 ! We are talking a lot about this problem and guess ,but the real solution....is there one ?
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Agreed...North America or not..more or less.... we all have still the same problem ?
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