top gear rerun on 99 last night

[pavo335]

Anyone catch the Top Gear rerun on 99 last night?

[sbce90]

no

[pavo335]

here is a youtube

it stops just short of the times but .02 quicker than an m3 iirc

[Alpine*]

Wasn't it raining when they did the M3?

[pavo335]

Originally Posted by AlpineM3E92

Wasn't it raining when they did the M3?

from what they said last night, no. In fact the track was damp for the 1m and dry for the m3

[pavo335]

just did a google on top gear lap times see below. I guess the moral of the storey is A. get a super charger or B. stay away from the track if there is a 1m there.

[MLOREY]

good to know my m3 is faster than a gallardo

[pavo335]

Originally Posted by MLOREY

good to know my m3 is faster than a gallardo

just make sure the gallardo is driving in the wet and your not

[sbce90]

Different "Stig" as well. I think new stig is fastest yet.

[pavo335]

hasn't the 'new' stig been there for a couple of years?

[Alpine*]

01:25.0 BMW 1 Series M Coupe (damp)
01:25.3 BMW M3 (E90 Saloon)
01:26.0 BMW Z4 M roadster (E85)
01:26.2 BMW M5 (E60)
01:26.5 BMW M3 E92 Competition Pack (moist)
1:27:00 BMW M5 E39
01:28.0 BMW M3 CSL (E46) (wet)[6]
01:28.2 BMW Z4 sDrive35i (E89)
01:28.2 BMW X5 M (E70) (wet)
01:29.2 BMW M5 (F10) (Very Wet)
01:31.2 BMW 760Li (wet)
01:31.8 BMW M3 E46
01:31.8 BMW 535d
01:31.9 BMW 130i (E87)
01:35.9 BMW 3-series 325i (E93) (wet, top open) ROFL
01:37.3 BMW Z4 3.0i (very wet) (E85)
1:43:02 BMW 318ti (Season 1, episode 4)

Is it fair to say a M3 Comp E92 DCT would beat or equal a 1M in the dry?

[pavo335]

tbh i'd have thought the DCT would have the edge but they were both damp conditions so i doubt it on THAT track. still makes you wonder if the interior and better looks is worth another 80k.

[MFKN3]

Originally Posted by pavo335

tbh i'd have thought the DCT would have the edge but they were both damp conditions so i doubt it on THAT track. still makes you wonder if the interior and better looks is worth another 80k.

Wait, I could have saved $80k and gone around the top gear track faster?!!

[Ausfredy]

Originally Posted by pavo335

just did a google on top gear lap times see below. I guess the moral of the storey is A. get a super charger or B. stay away from the track if there is a 1m there.

Speed isn't everything mate 2 different cars

[pavo335]

Originally Posted by Ausfredy

Speed isn't everything mate 2 different cars

Freddy, so what is the point of an m3 again :

Or are you suggesting a 335 is better

[Ausfredy]

Originally Posted by pavo335

Freddy, so what is the point of an m3 again :

Or are you suggesting a 335 is better

Not 335 but if you own both cars and drive them back to back you will know few here do have it AlpineM is one that had them both ask him. both different cars I stand by that I do have both cars now. everyone is going on about the 1M yes it is quick but lacking in many other things
http://www.1addicts.com/forums/showthread.php?t=703648

[MMMMM3]

Originally Posted by pavo335

Freddy, so what is the point of an m3 again :

Or are you suggesting a 335 is better

Well, the M3 comes in sedan, coupe, and convertible. The 1M only comes in coupe. For a sedan buyer like me, 1M wouldn't work. Yes the 335 comes in a sedan, but the front doesn't look as good, the M3 sedan front end looks better (like the coupe does). The s65 engine sounds better (to me and others), and isn't direct injection or turbo charged (which are things that improve fuel economy, but compromise responsiveness to a degree).

That's the good thing about having choices, we choose whichever car makes us happy. All I can tell you is that an M3 makes me smile, makes me happy, and I enjoy driving it a lot. I'd probably enjoy driving a 1M too, just not as much, because I don't like turbos that much.

From:

http://blogs.insideline.com/roadtest...s/2009-bmw-m3/

lowmilelude says:

05:00 AM, 03/ 2/10

There's a cardiac surgeon at work who drives a brand new M3. Yesterday in the parking lot, I swear to God I caught him smiling while he was sitting in the driver's seat, waiting for it to warm up. That guy never effing smiles. NEVER.

[PhillyNate]

and I still don't want it.

[pavo335]

I'm just a bit confused with the messaging from BMW. On the one hand you've got the 1M that is faster in a straight line and around a track than an M3, but the M3 is double the price. sure looks count for something but double?

If its just the body choice, then you might as well get a 335, same e90/2/3 body choices as m3. In standard form its a better dd than a torqueless m3 and spend 500 on a chip and again faster than an m3, not to mention the joke lounge seats in an m3.

So where is the market for an M3? Cant be badge buyers cause they can get the same badge for 1/2 the price? Cant be performance buyers cause again they can get better for 1/2 price? so whats left

[MLOREY]

This is the most tired argument, but I will indulge you because I am equally bored at work.

1m great car, too small for anyone over 6ft to look respectable getting into/out of. Thats why its so well marketed to Boi Racers/Asians with a bit of money.

335 looks like a 325/323 etc. just an average looking car with a rather fast engine, every joe schmo can afford. The same argument could be used for the why dont you get a 135 and just tune it to be as fast as a 1m rah rah rah... its most probably because you cant afford it.

m3 has that bit of prestige etc. along with performance, not to mention the looks.

For my money you cant compare it to either a 335 or a 1m... both cars aimed at different markets.

In short it occupies a space in the brand range that the market ultimately dictates and there is evidently enough demand to make it worth while producing...

and every m3 driver i have spoken to is just as happy as me!

[MMMMM3]

Originally Posted by pavo335

I'm just a bit confused with the messaging from BMW. On the one hand you've got the 1M that is faster in a straight line and around a track than an M3, but the M3 is double the price. sure looks count for something but double?

If its just the body choice, then you might as well get a 335, same e90/2/3 body choices as m3. In standard form its a better dd than a torqueless m3 and spend 500 on a chip and again faster than an m3, not to mention the joke lounge seats in an m3.

So where is the market for an M3? Cant be badge buyers cause they can get the same badge for 1/2 the price? Cant be performance buyers cause again they can get better for 1/2 price? so whats left

A car with 400Nm of torque from a naturally aspirated engine is not torqueless.

Maybe the marketing people at BMW are smarter than everyone thinks, they have been tricking all these people (myself included) into spending money needlessly on getting M cars, when chipping non-M cars is the way to go, obviously (sarcasm, cough, cough).

I do like sitting in my joke lounge seats, they are very comfortable.

[Nubzub]

La la la. Fanboys of either the 1M or M3 will always seek to say their car reigns supreme - it's all about justifying that they bought the right car!

Anyway, I've the pleasure of having them both and I do admit the 1M feels lighter, pulls harder at low revs due to the turbos, and it does genuinely feel more fun on its feet compared to the heavier M3.

However, I have to say overall I still prefer the M3 - there is a sense of luxury/class that goes along with all that hooning, as well as the history & pedigree to go with THE M3 badge, which the 1M certainly doesn't have. Not to mention its more comfortable Besides, I don't always want to have a rough ride 24/7. Hemorrhoids much? Haha!

Both cars are nice, but aimed at different markets. Either way, the world does acknowledge BMW has set benchmarks with both these cars, so its a win-win regardless what you have.

OT: Trying to take out my CF hood vent cover during my lunch break, and I snapped it in half!!! Fail. How I regret touching it.... Gotta superglue it together and keep it on for now....