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Its so interesting to see various thought processes here, from what seems to be multiple age groups. Really opened my mind up about exotics. They aren't just "OMG SEX I WANT ONE"
I myself have just turned 27, and am in a position where I can just recently afford an M3 comfortably without having to worry about it being a bad financial decision (debatable, yes I know). After reading all the cons people say about exotics in this thread, it really made me think about where I will be in a few years and the serious practicality of an M3 (as far as performance cars are concerned). Originally I made the decision to jump into an m3 because of the performance and styling. Now it seems that its a car that can last me quite a few years as my maturity increases. Someone asked before where do you go after M3, and now I'm thinking maybe a crap SUV on the side for bad weather, and saving other spare $$ for important things in life? |
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This is something I have thought about too. Since I am in the city - there's no need at this point as its rough driving the ///M at times. I always wanted an F-car...and more recently drooling over an Aventador...if moneys not an object, why not? but thats not usually the case.
I think I'd rather try out a Car Club that has an annual membership fee but allows you to drive different exotic cars without the hassle of maintenance. My girlfriend's co-worker does this and I've looked into it before and not such a bad alternative. That's something I might be interested in doing 2-3 years from now. Once I move to the suburbs in 4-5 years I would consider having an exotic if I was going to put at least 400-500 miles a month on it. Preferably a used F430 spyder for a sweet weekend car The M3 will always have it's place - I debate trading up for an M5 or M6 but just performance wise, the extra weight isnt more fun. I'd rather keep the ///M and move it to a project car once I have a bigger ///M for daily driving (That's if I have the space...but then I feel like having so many cars would become a hassle in itself...inspections, oil changes, car washes etc) In an ideal world - you get a 5 car garage, a nice daily driver, an exotic, an suv, the wifes car and a wild card...let's hope for the best! That was a mouthful...but just laying my $0.02 out there. |
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I agree very much with Optherion's POV.
Growing up in Vancouver, Canada; I think it's the ultimate place to chill and just a stable place to live and wait for death to arrive. Migrating back to Hong Kong proved to be a challenge, but I accepted it. And through these years of single life (it helps with finances), I worked from a Ford Fiesta to a VW R32 and now I'm at my E90 6MT M3. I began to appreciate the pace of this place and the efficiency, it's a wonderful feeling to know that you can grow, that there's opportunities, and that there is a better life and more toys for you in the future. My father is basically living the life that I would wonder about and would probably follow if I can manage financially. He has a 2008 C63, a 2002 SL55 AMG, and a 2010 997 Porsche 911 Turbo S. Have a 4 Door Family car, and then a Sports car for the occasional Drive. I prefer my M3 to the C63 as an all-around car. The SL55 is dated but is still a looker. Now the Turbo S, that's what I call fast. 0-100 in 3.14s (with Launch Control). There's power everywhere. PDK is almighty. The Ceramic brakes are easy to modulate. The best part is that it's very discreet (de-badged, actually all our cars are). It just looks like any other P-car to most people. Of course, with all this being said, I actually am clueless as to what I would get in 5-10 years, because of the practicality and the utility of the E90M. I am quite liking the Jaguar XFR-S, and in Black with a Spoiler Delete, there's nothing quite like that noise of a Supercharged V8 with the cracking exhaust every time it shifts.
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Very Good Thread.
I have looked at couple of exotics but I am not the type that will get into something that is going to get crap loads of attention and scream "Look at me People" As you stated M3 is a great all around car and may be a good alternative (when kids are gone) might be a 911. To me a good balanced garage these days can be E90 M3, 911TT (or even C4S / T4S) and a Cayenne GTS...... anything more than that you are showing off waaay too much for my taste.
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Good summary and those are definitely the issues to consider when looking at getting into one. They are not very practical and it is very unlikely you will drive one that much because of that reason.
One thing I was considering was buying into an exotic car sharing service. You might pay something like 20,000 for the year and be allowed so many days a year to drive whatever car you want in their inventory (they all work differently of course). They handle everything, you just drive the car and when you are tired of it, you drop it off or have them come pick it up. True, it is not the same as being completely yours and no one touches it but you... however, if you are paranoid about damaging a car like that (like me) you might be able to actually enjoy the car more if you know it is not your baby. I'm really thinking this is a good way to go and avoid many of the headaches involved in owning an exotic car yourself. http://exoticcars.about.com/od/carcl...CarSharing.htm *edit* One other piece I like about this idea is if for example I want to go to Florida, the group I am considering has an office there and they will have whatever car I want waiting for me at the airport.
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I Just traded in my s550 for a stick m3 convertible and I also have a ferrari California and a 458 spider on order. While I love my new m3 let me make something very clear, ferrari is ferrari. There is no better driving experience from a non exotic. The California is the bottom of the exotic food change I can't even imagine what a 458 spider would be like.
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Agree with you on the practicality and everyday driveability of this M car.
I love watching this video review of our current M3. I not only love it because they recognize the "beauty" of this car, but they review every purpose of having this vehicle, which matches my reasons why i loved M3 all along, and wanted this particular V8 M3. I love this guy when he says, Quote:
Going side track a bit,but this is sort of the reasons why I am not so impressed with the next M3. Yes the power will be there, it will be fuel efficient, more practical. But back in the day, even just 5 years ago, the M division wasn't like that. They were "crazy", they were able to stick a V10 engine in the M5, a high rev V8 with individual throttle bodies in a small 3 series... and they were mass produced engine! Not anymore, because they are not allowed. They are not allowed to go crazy on it, they need that mpg regulations, they need to stay under that government limitations, so they will turbo it. not as exotic as the past M3s have been...and the original inline 4 E30 M engine, the silky smooth I-6 E36 and E46, high rev V8 S65 engine...these are the ones that will be remembed as the most "PURE" M engines, not restricted by anyone, anything.
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Exactly my thoughts: that is why I drive a Cayman R and soon a C63. I could have an R8 V10 or a ferrari instead but don't want the worry-loud visiability-and target on my back that such an extreme car brings. Turns out the C63 PP sould be pretty close the exotic level performance on the street.
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12-11-2012, 04:19 PM | #102 |
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ive lusted after my share of exotics but doubt i will ever actually own one. i have no doubt that there will be fantastic cars in the future but my dream cars are already available and what i aspire to attain. if i can take a gt3 and drive it well enough to say this isnt good enough i need more, i would have to wake up from that dream. the limits may become higher in the future but the driver involvment will become less.
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Some of you are completely missing the point here. There is NO QUESTION about the superiority and enjoyability of the driving experience. The point is that the opportunities to enjoy driving exotics are rare, while the costs and hassles of ownership are high. It is the cost to benefit ratio that is the issue, irrespective of whether one can afford it.
That said, I did say in my original post that my thoughts really do not apply to the super-wealthy who are just living a different type of existence. If you can hire someone full time just to tend to your stable of cars, then you are paying someone to deal with all the hassles. If you don't need to actually work and generate a 7 figure annual income just off investments, and can spend 100 days a year going from track to track in your private jet while your exotics are trailered around the country, then obviously you are living a different type of existence from most. I am referring to working higher earners. It is a nice life, but certainly not self-sustaining without continued work. Yes, you can afford a Gallardo, and the insurance, and the maintenance, but you still have to think about the value of it all. Saildoc's post #106 is right on !!
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what street performance means....
Yes, a 458 ferrari will outperform a C63 on the race track. No competition.
But what does street driving mean to everyone here? I doubt that I could safely drive a 458 to my office with a faster time than I could a C63-there are small issues like traffic, speed limits, cops and the risk of killing someone else. For street driving I bet I can break the speed limit plenty fast enough in a C63 and I can enterain three friends while doing it. I suppose a 458 and a C63 would be the perfect combo. Not willing to tie up that much cash in a car that I would only drive once a week or so not to mention needing to flat bed transport to Dallas for service work. And really when it comes down to it I know a guy here who bought a ferrari-he makes sure to tell everyone he has it and how much it costs... I sort feel revolted and bad for his p*nis at the same time... pretty pathetic.. definately don't want to be that guy. Now if I got a sweet 355 that is enough of a classic I would think about having that as a toy... |
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eh i can outperform a 458 in my m3. did it last weekend. driver mod.
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I think the amount of times you can drive your exotic without looking way out of place depends on where you live.
I live in LA and there are plenty of places you can drive an exotic and be right at home, there are also plenty of places where i wouldn't drive a half decent car through. If you are barely on the cusp of being able to afford an exotic then I don't think it's worth it. You would be too afraid of driving it for fear of something going wrong (and the ensuing financial strain that would place on you). If you are at the level where you are "ok" with something catastrophic happening to your exotic then i think you would be more inclined to drive it often. |
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