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I think there are not yet seen factors that can make all e9x M3s extremely sought after, i will get to it . But First of all i don't believe electric is the future, hybrid engines -yes as a complementary 2nd engine to boost performance but not as a fully fledged electric car like the infamous Tesla because stored electrical charge (battery) always falls behind gasoline in energy per mass stored and to make matters worse, pumping liquid gasoline is efficient and fast but repleneshing a battery's charge is slow and inefficient. Electrical engines will only come to dominance after nuclear energy has been mastered for the consumer market, not anytime in another thousand years.
But back to the E9xM3 i think that if turbo technology continues to improve and is better harnessed through real time DSP, maybe in 5-10 year mating a futuristic turbo to the S65 may become relatively straightfoward . Several shops have tried sofar but no one produced a reliable kit. Then the M3 will have a significant advantage of one of the best, if not the best high revving V8 engine with an extremely programmable turbo kit. People will go crazy and will hunt for M3 just to make that turbo conversion. Typical turbo engines rely on boost and lack the design and extra cost to make it high revving. They don't need to but if high revving + turbo can be reliably be had and parameterized over a huge broad rev range, people that tend to set trends in sportscar will go nuts for it. |
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i don't know if i'd say "collector," but definitely more desirable. think of a slick-top, no-option, zcp, manual e46 M...
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This version of the M3 has some potential to become a collectors item, despite what many on here are saying.
It's the last NA car BMW made, and likely ever will make again. It's the only M3 with a V8, and the engine is unique to this car, something that's extremely cost prohibitive in today's world. It's the last you can buy without navigation or iDrive, and the last where a manual transmission was not a novelty to purchase. Something else not mentioned is nostalgia, which is what drives the classic car market. It's what caused muscle cars to blow up in value, and as 90s kids come of age, is causing a Supra to be worth 90k in some places. Once kids that idolized this M3 grow up, prices may balloon for a good example. Cars are generally not good investments, and I'm not saying this M will make you rich, but there are many factors in its favor.
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So I've just come back from the future...2067...and lo and behold as some on here predicted, the 2011 e90 m3 with ZCP was a true collectors car. The DCT was the only one sought out because in 2037, MT was obsolete. Cars of the early century were prized because 2067 vehicles were machine driven by robots and could fly and go in the water as well. The DCT was prized due to it's ability to simulate current vehicles while reminding the elderly of shifting gears without needing a third pedal, something no one in 2067 knew how to do.
I'm thinking many of you may still be here in fifty years, and if you heed this advice, you could be very wealthy by stashing a few e90 m3's with DCT and ZCP.... Just Sayin is all.... |
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Personally I think you guys are looking at this all wrong. Look at the American muscle cars and overall vehicles from the 50's through 70's. Convertibles are typically valued much higher than coupes and coupes realizing a higher premium than saloons. I would like to see that start happening again with the E9x M3 vehicles.
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If the competition package would've been truly a competition package with some lighter forged 18" wheels and some real weight savings and more torque, then that would be truly special. Still, you have a lovely, desirable car. Enjoy it. It sounds amazing like few cars sound like anymore. When I go to cars and coffee with my son and an e90 or 5.0 mustang drive by, I tell my son....that's what cars should sound like! |
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I was inches from convincing everyone that the E93 is a future collector car until you laughed at me!!! Curses loveskiing!! Or were you perhaps laughing with me? In that case I am taking reasonable offers for my highly COLLECTIBLE 2011 E93 M3 with the following highly DESIRABLE features that include but are not limited to: Space gray ext, black Novillo int, DCT, Nav, AUTOMATIC roof and yep it's just the push of a button, kinda like the M button but it's a large CM button on the console and the CM stands for CHICK MAGNET because when that top comes down you better not be wearing cologne or beware the Chick magnet consequences (if my girl reads this I'm a dead man). And... I'll even throw in the highly collectible ZCP package that came as a one time only option for this vehicle. Ok, I'll say anything to get out of this thing without losing my shirt. |
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Where did you see these tests?
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Car and Driver. Just looked for them online but can't find it. I threw away my CD issues after I got 1M. The first drive of CSP said basically wheels were glorious but suspension to harsh and would provide some slight handling only on glass circuits and anything less than perfect, the original 18" version which had lighter wheels kept its composure better.
The problem is no one ever compared fixed 18" wheel version with CSP. Many reviewed EDC units with 220 19" wheels which is basically the same thing. Someone needs to review the same year 2010 M3 MT with 18" no option, no sunroof vs. 2010 ZCP MT no option. What you will find is that on less perfect roads and tracks the regular base M3 is just as quick and possibly even quicker while giving you a better overall ride. Most reviewers of ZCP, including Chris Harris said the stiffest setting was too harsh and not very useful. If someone has the CD issue, I think it was 2010. I found this online too: http://www.carenthusiast.com/reviews...n+Package.html Here is video of 2008 Base M3 Chasing down CZP M3. Again, not sure of transmission, but says both stock. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWy9-WxoWOQ Last edited by nachob; 05-07-2017 at 03:22 PM.. |
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I doubt any of the stock suspension setups makes a major difference in performance, but to say the ZCP setup did worse in tests isn't really accurate. And I'm pretty sure people have agreed that the Comfort mode with EDC is more livable that the standard fixed dampers.
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to the gentlemen pretending the e93 is going to be desirable in the future. thanks for the chuckle.
and yes, edc is marginally better on track and it is heavily dependent on track surface. as i developed as a driver, i saw my lap times drop when i started using comfort at the bumpy tracks.
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You also state that EDC is more livable, that is probably true if you only run 19" tires. The original M3 on 18s with fixed suspension was plenty liveable. The problem is when you go 19 for looks that things fall apart and you have to resort to gadgetry to make up for little sidewall. Racecars have sidewalls. Period. You can run a firmer suspension setup and the sidewall absorbs road imperfections. We are talking about a COMPETITION package. Not daily living package. So the "competition package" is not actually what it says it is. So again, you asked for opinions, let me re-state them in as much as we can all agree. 1. The competition package was not an awesome improvement...it was nice. 2. The best part was the cool wheels. Everyone loves them. I have them on my car. 3. To be a collectible, the competition package would have to do something really cool, like the bat wing on the old CS coupes. 4. A competition package can be ruined if the car is loaded. Basically negates the competition aspect if you bloat it. A manual seat, MT, no sunroof car with competition package package is more desireable to those of us that pay collectible money than a loaded, extended leather, sunroof e90 with competition package and auto transmission. 5. The truly rare unicorn cars are the no option, manual seat, speed cloth, no sunroof, no nav, no EDC, manly cars which are the type of cars that you would truly want to take to a competition. As far as test, there are lap times out there but I didn't put them in because they didn't list configurations so I don't have the proof on my or the time to keep looking for it. So that's fine. We'll just leave it to the opinion you asked for and Competition Pkg by itself will not constitute a collectible M3. Neither will a loaded automatic M3s. They are a dime a dozen. The desireable M3s of the future, the ones that I will put my hard earned money on will be lightweight, no sunroof, no iDrive, MT unicorns. |
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I think 3-5 years may be too soon to pin hopes on substantial appreciation. By the late 2020s though I'd expect ANY naturally aspirated internal combustion engine with a manual transmission to be rare. But the E9X will still have to beat out its smaller older sibling, the E46.
I'd expect the CSL and GTS to be off the charts, but who knows?
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I don't know, but try BPM or anyone who tunes M3s and can access the DME.
The major difference is that on the Sport setting, it is now a dynamic dampening instead of linear. You might feel the difference when you drive a real lumpy highway section at high speeds and you feel your rebound a bit more softer.
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here is the reality- comp pack isn't necessarily better. looking back a generation and forward a generation gives the same perspective, its not much better. to the 95% of M drivers that don't track, they feel like they got a better performing car. i think the track guys have figured out that isn't quite the case.
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