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Tuesday, at the Pocono Raceway AMG event, I did 0 - 60 mph in a CLK63 Black Edition in 4.8 sec. I was not allowed to disconnect any electronic aide nor to do a torque launch.
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09-21-2007, 01:02 AM | #47 | |
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Ok I will find for you a good one:-) But are you ready to pay for you M much more money? here ,unluky,is different... |
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09-21-2007, 02:38 AM | #48 | |
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09-21-2007, 03:38 AM | #49 | |
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this is what happens when you don't speak that language. I apologize but there was the pic and so I was confused... ciao |
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09-21-2007, 03:46 AM | #50 |
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09-21-2007, 05:05 PM | #53 |
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09-22-2007, 02:04 PM | #55 |
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Here is Sportautos final verdict on these two:
Verdict: "The BMW M3 wins that competition due to driving dynamics and the more powerful and much heavier CLK 63 AMG not taking adavantge over the M3 which also costs less than a half of the CLK 63 AMG, the M3 is a real bargain for the driver who wanst to get the best performance for the buck. The CLK 63 AMG comes close to the M3, even as it is much more exclusive, the price is much too high." |
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09-23-2007, 03:53 AM | #58 | |
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09-23-2007, 04:43 AM | #59 | |
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the numbers from Hochkenheim and Ring seem to be not bad against: RS4 R8 MB Black Series all these cars used Cup Tires. Then against M5 M6 and so on... If the new M3 didn't use the Cup on the Ring, so, the times will be good enought also against the Porsche 997S. So who will think that the new C63 will be faster than that monster of the Black Series? Could be possible?if so the MB technician failed with the B.Series?is it possible? the last test next year will be the new RS5. Untill that moment it seems that the new M3 win the competition with the cars just around the market.... |
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09-24-2007, 01:57 AM | #61 |
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If the CLK63 BS is the lightweight and track version of the regular CLK63, and supposedly with an engine lighter than the M3, why is it so much heavier than a regular M3?
I'm really suspicious of its claimed engine weight |
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09-24-2007, 02:34 AM | #62 |
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Some facts about that test...
1.) All M3 E92 until now, the first customer cars and also the BMW-dealer-cars have Michelin Pilot Sport 2 tyres (also 19 inch option)
2.) My BMW-dealer doesnt have any information if there is ever a possibility to order the Michelin-CUP in future. 3.)The M3 from Sport Auto test had not only that semis, they also changed the pads, so they used again race-pads like already in spain, and the journalist critisized the noise which the race-pads are making all the time.(by the way, this is writen on that page at the end of the Sport Auto test, which is missing at the last post) So for me the thing is very clear: There is one M3 from the Auto-Motor-Sport-test which performed Hockenheim in 1:16,1. That one you can buy or order at the dealer now. There is another M3 from Sport Auto-test which had a 1:14,3 in Hockenheim. This is one you canīt buy, but of course you change tyres and pads on your own. If i want to compare the Hockenheim-time against other cars, there is no sense for me to take the test-time from a tuned car which i cant get from the dealer. Greeting Robert |
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09-24-2007, 05:29 AM | #63 |
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^ Actually the pads are available from the dealer apparently
So really you are just talking about tires...
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1. Sportauto indicates that it was hard for them to get a test car for this comparison against the M3, since most competitors (Audi, MB) seem to know about the "driving dynamics" of the M3. "Nobody really wants to face the new M3 in a test." 2. BMW says the Michelin Pilot Sport Cup+ is the highest grade sport tire Michelin offers (think they mean comparable with P Zero), not a slick like the CUP tire for the CSL was (which was comparable with the Zero Corsa). Sportauto somewhat approves that by saying that this CUP+ has a quite deep tread pattern for water drain. Best regards, south |
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09-24-2007, 09:35 AM | #65 | |
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