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The loss of warranty will either be case by case or of the drivetrain as a whole while the remainder of the car will remain under warranty. This is something that is provided for under MM along with right to seek costs and many other things which I cant recall. Notice I said the right to seek costs, there is no guarantee of getting them. The total warranty can only be voided if the car meets a few specific criteria such as odo tampering, salvage title, altered so completely as to change its fundamental use to something other than what it was sold for. There are a few more but its been almost 10 years since my lawyer explained all this stuff to me. I'm no attorney and I know that state law can play a large factor in these actions but what I know says what your saying is not true. My attorney actually laughed at me when I said pretty much what you posted which was what I believed at the time. |
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This is why dyno numbers vary and track results vary so much for such similar cars. I've had to disprove this before, and yes it is a pain in the ass, and you are correct that it is up to you to prove your case with facutal data. Luckily for me I was the one tuning the car in question for many years so I had log files out the ass to show this.
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Yes there are laws stating that the mod has to have cause the damage. For example: I put a supercharger on my car and the suspension fails...well they cant deny me suspension work because of a blower. Well engine and exhaust DO go together. While an axle back will never be the reason for a voided warranty, cats are a different story. Cats dramatically reduce the back pressure and could EASILY be used to deny engine work. He told me theyve gone to court numerous times and at the wnd of the day BMW has the best lawyers and will basicaly always win; all they have to say is our car was designed to run on stock back pressure. Ps: BMW could report anyone who tampers with emissions equipment and its a 5 thousand dollar fine... |
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I'd laugh if they threatened me with the backpressure argument, exhaust backpressure is BAD for an engine, and by releasing any the engine would work easier and cooler, this is also VERY well documented.
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The EPA fine issue is going to be there even if you just install a catless x pipe from whatever company, but in reality the pursuit of such things is not a high priority.
Regarding the warranty, sure they can try to deny your claim, and they have the burden of showing that the part caused the failure. Although that sounds nice in theory, finding a decent lawyer to take a case with a $10-20k matter in controversy (1/3 of that of course if contingency) and going through hiring experts etc. will not be easy. My warranty is gone anyway, but I ran aftermarket parts while under warranty with the expectation that BMW would put up a massive shit storm if I tried to get something expensive covered that they could even have a straight faced argument that it was caused by my parts. Backpressure is necessary in some instances. I ran a E36 racecar with headers only temporarily, because I had just done an engine swap, and the shops I talked to about it strongly rec'd against running it hard like that. It can allow the engine to rev up too quickly and damage valves etc. |
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