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      04-06-2011, 07:42 AM   #1
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Thinking about M3 sedan, need some insights...

Hello Everyone,

I come from two x5 ownership experiences 4.4 and 4.8. I'm thinking of getting another (x50). Before I do I'm considering some alternatives. I'd love to get x5m but not in my budget. I like the stature, high ride and utility of x5. The new x3 I'm not sold on yet so I'm considering the m3 sedan. My wife has an x3 so we have the utility of an suv in the family. My driving is about 8,000 miles per year most of it is alone. I have one child so don't need a ton of room. So when I drive I want good looks, thrill, etc.

With this being said I'd love some insights and m3...

1) How is it in snow with appropriate tires? It appears like it has some type of traction control.

2) How is it in terms of comfort for long rides, daily driving and family use?

3) It appears like it has an automatic option with the double clutch trans.

4) It seems like mpg would be about the same as an x5 50i.

I appreciate any insights on any of these statements/questions. Thank you very much!
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Go for the M3! I have an x5 and the e90 M3 (sedan) w/ 2 kids and love it! The only downside is fuel consumption, btwn the 4.8 x5 and the M I'm getting around 13 mpg btwn the 2. My wife now prefers
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Hello Everyone,

I come from two x5 ownership experiences 4.4 and 4.8. I'm thinking of getting another (x50). Before I do I'm considering some alternatives. I'd love to get x5m but not in my budget. I like the stature, high ride and utility of x5. The new x3 I'm not sold on yet so I'm considering the m3 sedan. My wife has an x3 so we have the utility of an suv in the family. My driving is about 8,000 miles per year most of it is alone. I have one child so don't need a ton of room. So when I drive I want good looks, thrill, etc.

With this being said I'd love some insights and m3...

1) How is it in snow with appropriate tires? It appears like it has some type of traction control.

2) How is it in terms of comfort for long rides, daily driving and family use?
for long rides it is perfect. The seats are super comfortable and with the sedan it seats 5 comfortably.
3) It appears like it has an automatic option with the double clutch trans.
Yes DCT is sort of like an automatic. It has many different modes that range from full auto to full manual.
4) It seems like mpg would be about the same as an x5 50i.
I wouldn't know about an x5 but I can tell you that it does burn gas.
I appreciate any insights on any of these statements/questions. Thank you very much!
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Ramps (damn phone). Great for road trips as well, though not as comfortable as the x5, which is to be expected, I love it and have never looked back, neither will you.
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Hello Everyone,

I come from two x5 ownership experiences 4.4 and 4.8. I'm thinking of getting another (x50). Before I do I'm considering some alternatives. I'd love to get x5m but not in my budget. I like the stature, high ride and utility of x5. The new x3 I'm not sold on yet so I'm considering the m3 sedan. My wife has an x3 so we have the utility of an suv in the family. My driving is about 8,000 miles per year most of it is alone. I have one child so don't need a ton of room. So when I drive I want good looks, thrill, etc.

With this being said I'd love some insights and m3...

1) How is it in snow with appropriate tires? It appears like it has some type of traction control.

2) How is it in terms of comfort for long rides, daily driving and family use?

3) It appears like it has an automatic option with the double clutch trans.

4) It seems like mpg would be about the same as an x5 50i.

I appreciate any insights on any of these statements/questions. Thank you very much!
1. It's fine in snow, it's not a 4x4 but with appropriate winter tires (I used Michelin PA2s) so winter driving shouldn't be an issue and I live in NJ.

2. I recently moved so now I commute 95 miles each way twice a week. I don't arrive feeling beat up like some other sports cars would. We don't have kids yet but we never had an issue moving stuff or seating.

3. The DCT is great. A lifesaver in traffic

4. I get roughly 21-22MPG highway. In the city I averaged around 18.5MPG.

Good luck!
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      04-06-2011, 08:32 AM   #7
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You should consider the X6 50i as well too since it now is offerring seating for 3, thought still cramped, but it's a nice compromise if you want a high vehicle. X5, X6 and M3 are all different vehicles and all depend on what your needs are. From a MPG perspective you actually get less on the X's than M, but you can get a tune that easily ups the hp/tq and will probably look at a SUV that will give you high 4's 0-60, it's impressive if you want a SAV.

The M3 is an entirely different beast, it's can be a docile GT or a weekend track toy. Though I love it, I feel it would have made more sense, if you want a track toy, to get a 5 series or SAV and get a lotus or P-car. The true benefit of the M3 is that it is a car that you can go grocery shopping with 5 and then drop everyone off and hit the track, as they say jack of all master of none.
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If the M3 was not offered in the sedan form, I would not have bought it. I needed to fit a baby seat in the back.


The MPG is reasonable to for a performance car. I was able to squeeze about 32 mpg on the highway with my 6MT equipped car.

The backseat room is reasonable, provided the people in the front aren't 6'5". I'm 5'10", and because I drive a manual, I have to jack my seat forward to drive. I fit 3 other adults comfortably in my car with no issues.

I drove my M3 in the snow this year. I didn't even have snow tires, I use all-season tires. I never once got stuck. The traction control keeps a tight lid on your throttle input in slick conditions. I never once felt like I was out of control. I went into a parking lot and demostrated the traction control to my g/f. With it on, you were able to reasonable get around and do donuts but with no drama, though it was not as spectacular as it would be in a all wheel drive car. With it off, the car basically wouldn't move and just spins its wheels.
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Hello Everyone,

I come from two x5 ownership experiences 4.4 and 4.8. I'm thinking of getting another (x50). Before I do I'm considering some alternatives. I'd love to get x5m but not in my budget. I like the stature, high ride and utility of x5. The new x3 I'm not sold on yet so I'm considering the m3 sedan. My wife has an x3 so we have the utility of an suv in the family. My driving is about 8,000 miles per year most of it is alone. I have one child so don't need a ton of room. So when I drive I want good looks, thrill, etc.

With this being said I'd love some insights and m3...

1) How is it in snow with appropriate tires? It appears like it has some type of traction control.

2) How is it in terms of comfort for long rides, daily driving and family use?

3) It appears like it has an automatic option with the double clutch trans.

4) It seems like mpg would be about the same as an x5 50i.

I appreciate any insights on any of these statements/questions. Thank you very much!
1. If you get snow tires it shouldn't be that bad. Just drive carefully and you should be good.

2. While its no Caddy the ride honestly isn't that bad. Its pretty comfortable on long rides though speed bumps and potholes can be pretty nasty. Just drive in Comfort mode and you should be set.

3. DCT is the way to go (in my opinion). You can let the car drive for you and eat a hamburger or something. As soon as you are done, back to shifting with the paddles or the shifter. It's very engaging and I don't feel like I'm missing out on a 6mt.

4. The mpg is the worst part about this car but if that is an issue for you then don't get it. I do 50/50 city/highway driving and my average is 17mpg. I haven't even had a chance to push the car hard due to the bad weather we have been getting. The 16 gallon tank doesn't help either so you'll be visiting the gas stations more often.

I love the car though and don't feel like I've made the wrong decision.
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The E90M3 is a completely different sort of car than what you are used to. Edgy, mechanical, feel the bumps, notchy. I like it, but I have a far more radical car so the E90M3 is like a luxury cruiser to me. Test drive the E90 M3 to make sure it is for you.

Coming from an E70 X5 4.8i (we had one of those for 3 years), you will find the difference dramatic. The new turbo V8 X5 50 is a pretty good hotrod. I never thought our 4.8i was very fast. Also consider a new 550i x-drive, since it also has the turbo V8 but weighs 1000 lbs less than the X5.

The E90M3 won't be anything like an AWD SUV in the snow -- it is OK with snow tires, but not exceptional since about the best you can do is 225/45/18 snows. That is not a particularly narrow or high aspect ratio tire such as would be ideal for snow use, and the ground clearance will always be limited.
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If you enjoy the driving experience of an SUV like the X5, I tend to doubt that you will like the M3. As others have said, the M3's main appeal is its versatility as a daily driver and track car. Compared to the X5, the M3 is going to feel a bit raw. I really like my M3, but I'm also someone who wouldn't want an SUV due to its weight, handling, performance.
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Hello Everyone,

I come from two x5 ownership experiences 4.4 and 4.8. I'm thinking of getting another (x50). Before I do I'm considering some alternatives. I'd love to get x5m but not in my budget. I like the stature, high ride and utility of x5. The new x3 I'm not sold on yet so I'm considering the m3 sedan. My wife has an x3 so we have the utility of an suv in the family. My driving is about 8,000 miles per year most of it is alone. I have one child so don't need a ton of room. So when I drive I want good looks, thrill, etc.

With this being said I'd love some insights and m3...

1) How is it in snow with appropriate tires? It appears like it has some type of traction control.
It can do a few inches of snow no problem. Traction control plays into this capability but all cars have it, it's just set up so it can be reasonable in snow. Don't expect it to take on as much snow as an x5 though.

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2) How is it in terms of comfort for long rides, daily driving and family use?
It's one of the most comfortable cars you'll ever take a long ride, or daily drive in short of something built for comfort.

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Yes that's the automatic, it's an F1 style automatic gearbox.

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4) It seems like mpg would be about the same as an x5 50i.
yep

You might also want to look into something like a used 911 or panamera it seems like you're a bit lost about the whole world of a car enthusiast and the problem with that is that the M3 is going to be raw as others have said, and that's something you have to enjoy.
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Hello Everyone,

I come from two x5 ownership experiences 4.4 and 4.8. I'm thinking of getting another (x50). Before I do I'm considering some alternatives. I'd love to get x5m but not in my budget. I like the stature, high ride and utility of x5. The new x3 I'm not sold on yet so I'm considering the m3 sedan. My wife has an x3 so we have the utility of an suv in the family. My driving is about 8,000 miles per year most of it is alone. I have one child so don't need a ton of room. So when I drive I want good looks, thrill, etc.

With this being said I'd love some insights and m3...

1) How is it in snow with appropriate tires? It appears like it has some type of traction control.

2) How is it in terms of comfort for long rides, daily driving and family use?

3) It appears like it has an automatic option with the double clutch trans.

4) It seems like mpg would be about the same as an x5 50i.

I appreciate any insights on any of these statements/questions. Thank you very much!
Based on what you've written here, specifically how you have an SUV in the family with the X3 and how you have only 1 child, have you considered the possibility of going with the E92 M3 Coupe?

I have 2 young kids, and recently met with an E92 M3 owner and I had absolutely no issues with fitting their child seats in the rear... you can see the pics in the link below and judge for yourself... surprisingly a number of members have thanked me for posting the pics with my kids in the rear... that way they can use that in their arguments to their wives to get the coupe, lol.

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=500638

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Hello Everyone,

I come from two x5 ownership experiences 4.4 and 4.8. I'm thinking of getting another (x50). Before I do I'm considering some alternatives. I'd love to get x5m but not in my budget. I like the stature, high ride and utility of x5. The new x3 I'm not sold on yet so I'm considering the m3 sedan. My wife has an x3 so we have the utility of an suv in the family. My driving is about 8,000 miles per year most of it is alone. I have one child so don't need a ton of room. So when I drive I want good looks, thrill, etc.

With this being said I'd love some insights and m3...

1) How is it in snow with appropriate tires? It appears like it has some type of traction control.

2) How is it in terms of comfort for long rides, daily driving and family use?
[b]for long rides it is perfect. The seats are super comfortable and with the sedan it seats 5 comfortably.[\B]
3) It appears like it has an automatic option with the double clutch trans.
[b]Yes DCT is sort of like an automatic. It has many different modes that range from full auto to full manual.[\B]
4) It seems like mpg would be about the same as an x5 50i.
[b]I wouldn't know about an x5 but I can tell you that it does burn gas.[\B]
I appreciate any insights on any of these statements/questions. Thank you very much!
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No, it seats 4 comfortably. The middle seating at the back is very uncomfortable on medium to long drives.
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I'd take a look at a 550xdrive as well. Then it's a totally subjective choice on the balance between sport and luxury.
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Hello Everyone,

I come from two x5 ownership experiences 4.4 and 4.8. I'm thinking of getting another (x50). Before I do I'm considering some alternatives. I'd love to get x5m but not in my budget. I like the stature, high ride and utility of x5. The new x3 I'm not sold on yet so I'm considering the m3 sedan. My wife has an x3 so we have the utility of an suv in the family. My driving is about 8,000 miles per year most of it is alone. I have one child so don't need a ton of room. So when I drive I want good looks, thrill, etc.

With this being said I'd love some insights and m3...

1) How is it in snow with appropriate tires? It appears like it has some type of traction control.

2) How is it in terms of comfort for long rides, daily driving and family use?
[b]for long rides it is perfect. The seats are super comfortable and with the sedan it seats 5 comfortably.[\B]
3) It appears like it has an automatic option with the double clutch trans.
[b]Yes DCT is sort of like an automatic. It has many different modes that range from full auto to full manual.[\B]
4) It seems like mpg would be about the same as an x5 50i.
[b]I wouldn't know about an x5 but I can tell you that it does burn gas.[\B]
I appreciate any insights on any of these statements/questions. Thank you very much!
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No, it seats 4 comfortably. The middle seating at the back is very uncomfortable on medium to long drives.
Ive stuffed 5 people in there for extended amounts of time... None of them complained
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Well sorta repeating most above but was fine in this terrible winter in central NJ threw a 50lb bag of salt in trunk just fort hat extra touch of traction but never even close to sliding. Trips seem 1/2 naw make that 1/3 as long in this car. How the heck do you guys get such great MPG??? I drive pretty mellow in D mode and I average 14.8 for 19k miles so far. Routine is 12 in city and at BEST 20 at 75mph on highway-and I raely rev past 5500?! Should I be concerned there is a problem?
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I come from two x5 ownership experiences 4.4 and 4.8. I'm thinking of getting another (x50). Before I do I'm considering some alternatives. I'd love to get x5m but not in my budget. I like the stature, high ride and utility of x5. The new x3 I'm not sold on yet so I'm considering the m3 sedan. My wife has an x3 so we have the utility of an suv in the family. My driving is about 8,000 miles per year most of it is alone. I have one child so don't need a ton of room. So when I drive I want good looks, thrill, etc.

With this being said I'd love some insights and m3...

1) How is it in snow with appropriate tires? It appears like it has some type of traction control.

2) How is it in terms of comfort for long rides, daily driving and family use?

3) It appears like it has an automatic option with the double clutch trans.

4) It seems like mpg would be about the same as an x5 50i.

I appreciate any insights on any of these statements/questions. Thank you very much!
Great, great insights! Thank you everyone for your time and feedback! Very helpful!
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