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I used to work for slowboy racing. (no discounts for the parts i bought though but I can still tell you the parts pricing for pretty much every part on the market....) STI parts for one are FAR more expensive, Part for part thus the reason the evo is a modding car and the STI is a drivers car. HP / $ will always be in favor of the 4G63. I went on EVOm and bought a used 3.5" exhaust for $350.00 The cams are cosworth M2 and that cost me $450.00 the filter cone and intake pipe was like $100.00 The tune was on the house becuase I used to work at the shop. As it goes for labor, a ricky retardo could change the exhaust, the cams were about an hour to 1.5 hours worth of work. Megan racing is a fine example of tuning parts that WORK the same as things like HKS, PERRIN, AMS, etc etc. and its 1/5 the price. I guess what I am saying is you are paying a premium tax (my cousin paid the corvette tax for every part he owned on he C6 corvette) Same metal for exhaust systems, just 3 times the price. Same for the M cars. I mean for god sake they sell $2500 hoods that have gaps in the front that look like shit but people still spend a million bucks becuase it is a brand name. But a CF hood for every other application runs somewhere around $450-700. this is a link to my old mod list before I parted it out because 650-700whp on a daily was a little useless at the time. http://englishracing.net/catalog/ets...t3t4-turbo-kit |
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12-20-2010, 09:51 PM | #24 |
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^no doubt the Evo is a beast when tuned and fairly cheap to tune.
but the OP said the other Evos were basically stock, which the M should handle easily. Otherwise we turn this into another "my turbo 1984 Ford Fiesta is faster than a Ferrari" thread. |
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12-21-2010, 05:23 AM | #25 | |
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I'll tell you what...how 'bout I come down to Kentucky from NY with my mouth (like you requested) and whoever has the most teeth, wins both the titles?
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12-21-2010, 06:47 AM | #26 | |
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You bring your title to your cute little M3, AND Petey brings his title to whatever PLUS $40-50K cash to make up difference for his deficiency in equal value. Otherwise its like playing poker and betting my 70,000 dollars to his 30,000 and winner takes all. Sounds pretty unfair to me!
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Dynojet? 320 sounds reasonable, but I used to run and beat many Stage 2 Evo's in my old STi and my M3 is definitely faster..granted there were a few that did beat me, but the difference between the cars was minimal. Stage 2 an Evo can not take down an M3 on a roll if the M is in the right gear, I'm sorry. To Petey, looks like you're running a new clutch as well as a bigger turbo now...as I said- sick car, but I'd expect you to beat M3's now.
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Sorry just reiterating my previous statement, wasn't really directed at you. We both know, as everyone else knows Dynojets run a bit high. On a Dyno Dynamics, Mustang Dyno that number would be significantly lower, around 10 percent +. I'm not doubting you put down 340 awhp, but I just wouldn't call the Dyno you used reliable.
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12-21-2010, 04:54 PM | #32 | |
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Ohhh, maybe I will scratch this whole thing and stop at hertz rent a car, pay $130 to rent a mustang GT and make you look even more like an over compensating chump lol... And I'm only in KY because of my wife who is attending grad school.. I'm from the city of champions. |
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To everyone here all I'm saying is that an Evo w/ just a catback or TBE will not beat an M3. Petey, seems like you're making a lot of friends here....how about I bring over my friends modded civic for your apple shares and your slip....any car can be modded to be faster than this or that...I think everyone just gotta relax.
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Evos break all day long.. You spend more time repairing them and changing motors transmissions and transfer-cases then driving them. Every single one of my friends that own or have owned an Evo have broken at least the motor and transfer-case. Just tell them best out of 10 on the drag racing the Evo wont last past the 3rd race..
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The funny part about your statement is that I am the 26 year old in the new M3 and they are in their 30's & 40's driving Evo's lol. I agree with you. I like Evos but I would feel like a pimple faced teen driving one.
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That's kind of funny
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Well, this is an interesting thread. I recently sold my Evo IX SE and bought an 09 E90 M3. I love reading about these guys who estimate their horsepower and never get a real dyno assoicated with it. I spent close to $2000 in performance mods with an AMS turbo exhaust $1100 (much lounder than stock, so factor in another discomfort to driving; and won't pass emissions), Perrin intake $200, O2 housing $150, AMS lower intercooler pipe $100, and a dyno tune from a well respected tuning company in Pennsylvania $450. This still only got me to 315hp/292tq on a mustang dyno. You could mod the crap out of the Evo for relatively cheap, but each mod comes at a cost to comfort, resale, emissions, etc.
The evo feels faster because it is much lower and smaller than the M3, but doesn't really stand a chance against it. I believe a better comparison is the E90 335i with a Procede. The cars are closer in price and the cost of tuning is comparable. I'm now in my 30's and you're absolutely right. The main reason I sold the Evo was because I couldn't really take myself seriously when I would walk out to it and get in. I decided to sell it the day I saw some douchebag behind me in a WRX wearing his hat sideways, knowing I was in the same class of car as this guy. . I also got tired of explaining to people what an Evo was. Drive what you like; enjoy it; and quit worrying about who's faster because we're all just as slow as the guy in front of us. Trust me, I know I live near DC now. |
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02 housings creates boost creeps quite often on evos Not sure where you had the car tuned in PA but that makes no sense to me. TPG, SBR, J&S? Which shop tuned it. Just curious bc the only import tuner is J&S that has a mustang. So it sounds like you were maybe at a "shop" who maybe took a stab at ecuflash or something Look, im not here to argue. I have owned the car for 5 years. I have had the car built at one point with EVERY part available to make 700whp. I just dont understand how defensive M3 owners are. Hp/weight ratios do not lie, then add awd to the mix. I am not trying to fight with people, its the ignorant comments that are jabs from people who dont even probably know how to change thier own oil that are getting on my nerves. Sorry for the rant, and sorry for words that are spelled wrong. Iphone |
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The tuning shop was CBRD. Not some shop taking a stab at tuning. Sure, putting a metal pipe on your car is an option, but having quality parts that prolong and enhance performance was the goal. Any shop can crank up the boost and dyno impressive numbers at the expense of your engine. I was just weighing in on my first hand experience with both cars. I enjoyed my Evo, but it was time to move on. I'm not sure who doesn't know how to change their oil, but why do it yourself when BMW does it for you.
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From my understanding and talking to a few people who ran the dyno there they claimed that the dyno is very low reading. So much so that it is less than the mustang at buschur racing. I feel guilty because I was being such a douche earlier, but I was trying to not be biased. I know I am an evo owner, I own a E90 as well, and was planning to purchase either an E92 m3 or a new 1m next year. BUT, I am still thinking that over. Both cars are great, they are just 2 total different machines, and do 2 total different things. The M3 truly is a track monster, and looks great too. I think the price is a tad inflated and that similar performance can be had for half the price, but at the cost of losing the luxury stand point. At this point I am going to step down from the argument and try to salvage my rep here lol. have a merry xmas all |
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Just when it was getting exciting! just playing. best of luck with your evo and e90. |
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