Gasman's M- DCT / DKG Review (pics To Follow)

Romo · 04-09-2008, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by gasman

Don't quote me on that!!

It was really hard to do 60mph in this thing. It might have felt like 60 but was really 80. I'll do some more testing when the rain stops. This might be a good time to experience S6!!

So what is the RPM driving 62m/h in 7th gear?

gasman · 04-09-2008, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SMSgt B

In D1, I have experienced 7th grear at 45mph ... around 2200 RPMs if I remember correctly

Correct...it really depends on the settings. I could have easily confused some of the 11 settings!

GewoW · 04-09-2008, 01:13 PM

Please check when you get a chance, because 3000rpms is in the range of a 5-speed manual!

SMSgt B · 04-09-2008, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Romo

So what is the RPM driving 62m/h in 7th gear?

Gasman, sorry for jumping in on this but 70 mph in 7th is 2750rpms

gasman · 04-09-2008, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Romo

So what is the RPM driving 62m/h in 7th gear?

Give me an hour or so! I'm about to go get lunch and find out!

gasman · 04-09-2008, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SMSgt B

Gasman, sorry for jumping in on this but 70 mph in 7th is 2750rpms

No prob...thanks. Please give your impressions as well in this thread. I didn't pay too much attention to detail yesterday as I was just happy to be driving it.

Romo · 04-09-2008, 01:21 PM

Off course, thanks for reply, take your time to enjoy

Just like to compare to my own M3

Maybe somebody can also tell RPMS number compared to 6 MT at 62m/h?

skierman64 · 04-09-2008, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by rai

thanks for the review..

How do you prevent the auto-mode from giving you 6K+ revs? It would seem hard to figure without knowing what is going to happen when it kicks-down and to what gear it will give you.

Do you enjoy the car more with auto or manual mode? It seems like even the auto mode has a fun side with the more aggressive settings.

Use manual mode. IMHO, that's how the car should be driven most of the time, unless you're too busy eating a quarterpounder at the time.

I personally don't see myself using auto mode much at all. I suppose we'll see how I like it. But I do like choosing my own gears. Even when I drive automatics with any of the shift yourself options, many times I use manual mode.

WCH · 04-09-2008, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SMSgt B

Gasman, sorry for jumping in on this but 70 mph in 7th is 2750rpms

That sounds more like what I would expect -

Gasman and SMSgt B - Thanks for all of your insights and for tolerating our relentless questions!

SMSgt B · 04-09-2008, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by skierman64

Use manual mode. IMHO, that's how the car should be driven most of the time, unless you're too busy eating a quarterpounder at the time.

I personnally don't see myself using auto mode much at all. I suppose we'll see how I like it. But I do like choosing my own gears. Even when I drive automatics with any of the shift yourself options, many times I use manual mode.

Depends how loud you play your music ...

Auto mode you can crank up for favorites, kick back, and enjoy

SMSgt B · 04-09-2008, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by WCH

That sounds more like what I would expect -

Gasman and SMSgt B - Thanks for all of your insights and for tolerating our relentless questions!

No problem, I am sure there will be more after tomorrow and this weekend when LC is finally recorded

rai · 04-09-2008, 01:47 PM

Please, if you guys think 3000 rpms is much that's nothing. My S2000 with 4.56 gears is around 5000 RPMs at 70mph.

But I do see what people are worried about (I think) the M3 is more like 80 mph at 3000 rpms.

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It sound like the DCT can be as fun and in different ways maybe more fun than the 6MT. I don't want to fight about who's better but just to point out the M3 is a fun car and having a tranny that can make it from Jeckel to Hyde at a push of a button (with the DCT) could make it VERY fun it sounds.

I have a DCT coupe on order so I am glad to hear so far it's all good.

darkphantom · 04-09-2008, 01:48 PM

WOW - very nice writeup. *sigh* I'm hoping I can trade in my baby in 3-4 years down the road to get in an M-DCT ///M :-D

p.s. I know everyone has said it, 3k rpm at 60 is too much - lol you sure you weren't going 160? :-P (don't flame - I know it would be much higher - 7 speed tranny so it's a joke)

rai · 04-09-2008, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by skierman64

Use manual mode. IMHO, that's how the car should be driven most of the time, unless you're too busy eating a quarterpounder at the time.

I personally don't see myself using auto mode much at all. I suppose we'll see how I like it. But I do like choosing my own gears. Even when I drive automatics with any of the shift yourself options, many times I use manual mode.

I worry about this, I dislike the so-called manual mode on most auto-boxes seems to be waste of time, but maybe it's just up to what people prefer, but likely the Manual mode in this car is different than a auto-tranny manumatic mode.

I think when driving the wife and kiddies they may prefer the softer D2/D3 etc. mode.

rai · 04-09-2008, 01:56 PM

there should be some calculations of speed in gear, meaning how many mph for each 1000 RPM for each gear.

I saw the 6MT was like 22.5 mph per 1000 rpm in 6th gear so it was like 67 mph would be 3000 rpm.

The 7-MT probably will be more like 24 mph per 1000 rpms (in 7th gear) but I don't know the exact number yet.

ersin · 04-09-2008, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by rai

I worry about this, I dislike the so-called manual mode on most auto-boxes seems to be waste of time, but maybe it's just up to what people prefer, but likely the Manual mode in this car is different than a auto-tranny manumatic mode.

I think when driving the wife and kiddies they may prefer the softer D2/D3 etc. mode.

My experience with SMG II: S5 99% of the time. Auto was very rough plus the manual shifting is so much fun.

hakaida442 · 04-09-2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GewoW

Your GT3?! WHy!!

I recently tore up my left ankle again (old high school and college baseball injury) a few months ago and am looking for a fun track car that doesnt require me to use a clutch.

Hans Delbruck · 04-09-2008, 02:56 PM

GREAT review on M-DKG Gasman!! I really appreciate your feedback on the different settings.

(--and hey while you're at it, how about 85 mph in 7th?

That is a nice cruising speed ya know

)

Beautiful car!

uhn2000 · 04-09-2008, 03:40 PM

Great review. I really am curious to know how this transmission compares to SMGIII from the M5 and M6.

nusevad · 04-09-2008, 03:47 PM

When can we expect those pics Gasman?

mkoesel · 04-09-2008, 03:48 PM

gasman thanks for the review!!

Now, both you and SMSgt B need to get those puppies broken in. We NEED info on how this thing performs downshifting to redline and near redline conditions. My favorite shifts are 6-3, 6-2, and 5-2. I sure hope M-DCT allows that kind of thing reliably.

Have you guys found that "double clicking" works basically like SMG?

Keto · 04-09-2008, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ersin

My experience with SMG II: S5 99% of the time. Auto was very rough plus the manual shifting is so much fun.

Ditto. I'm getting the sense that I might actually change modes beyond going to auto mode when I only have one hand free -- bad driver, I know.

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Romo Lieutenant Colonel 1756 Rep 1,668 Posts Drives: GR Yaris GT4RS Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: The Netherlands iTrader: (0)	Off course, thanks for reply, take your time to enjoy Just like to compare to my own M3 Maybe somebody can also tell RPMS number compared to 6 MT at 62m/h?
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rai Captain 55 Rep 649 Posts Drives: M3 coupe with DCT Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: maryland iTrader: (0)	Please, if you guys think 3000 rpms is much that's nothing. My S2000 with 4.56 gears is around 5000 RPMs at 70mph. But I do see what people are worried about (I think) the M3 is more like 80 mph at 3000 rpms. --------------- It sound like the DCT can be as fun and in different ways maybe more fun than the 6MT. I don't want to fight about who's better but just to point out the M3 is a fun car and having a tranny that can make it from Jeckel to Hyde at a push of a button (with the DCT) could make it VERY fun it sounds. I have a DCT coupe on order so I am glad to hear so far it's all good.
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darkphantom Banned 595 Rep 5,946 Posts Drives: E93 335i Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The place for Bimmers iTrader: (4)	WOW - very nice writeup. sigh I'm hoping I can trade in my baby in 3-4 years down the road to get in an M-DCT ///M :-D p.s. I know everyone has said it, 3k rpm at 60 is too much - lol you sure you weren't going 160? :-P (don't flame - I know it would be much higher - 7 speed tranny so it's a joke)
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rai Captain 55 Rep 649 Posts Drives: M3 coupe with DCT Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: maryland iTrader: (0)	there should be some calculations of speed in gear, meaning how many mph for each 1000 RPM for each gear. I saw the 6MT was like 22.5 mph per 1000 rpm in 6th gear so it was like 67 mph would be 3000 rpm. The 7-MT probably will be more like 24 mph per 1000 rpms (in 7th gear) but I don't know the exact number yet.
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Hans Delbruck Major 75 Rep 1,288 Posts Drives: C63, 135i, Evo FE, GLE63 Join Date: May 2005 Location: Huntington Beach, CA iTrader: (0)	GREAT review on M-DKG Gasman!! I really appreciate your feedback on the different settings. (--and hey while you're at it, how about 85 mph in 7th? That is a nice cruising speed ya know ) Beautiful car! __________________ 2009 135i 6MT Euro Delivery 9/5/09 BMW Performance Power Kit - Exhaust - Short Shifter - Suspension
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uhn2000 Big K... 171 Rep 1,717 Posts Drives: M3CS BX7 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Toronto, Ontario iTrader: (0)	Great review. I really am curious to know how this transmission compares to SMGIII from the M5 and M6. __________________ Many fun toys... M3CS XB7 FTW!
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mkoesel Moderator 7510 Rep 19,370 Posts Drives: No BMW for now Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Canton, MI iTrader: (1)	gasman thanks for the review!! Now, both you and SMSgt B need to get those puppies broken in. We NEED info on how this thing performs downshifting to redline and near redline conditions. My favorite shifts are 6-3, 6-2, and 5-2. I sure hope M-DCT allows that kind of thing reliably. Have you guys found that "double clicking" works basically like SMG?
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