M3 VS New STI. Easiest Kill Ever!!!

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by Z K

I have to agree with the Evo. Much easier to add power, a lot more responsive in cornering, loads of feedback and overall a much tighter car to drive. The STIs have always been kinda soft with an emphasis on comfort over performance - not quite as hardcore as the Evo. With S-AYC on the Evo X models, it drives like a RWD car and power slides are fun.

Personnally, I really love both cars but a couple of reasons made me chose the STI instead of the Evo as my every day car, those were; big and practical trunk in the hatch STI compared to the Evo where the seat don't even fold , lack of 6speed manuel , full options Evo more expensive then full options STI , Evo interior look cheaper and in my taste the STI look better overhall ! Also I tough the regular Lancer looked a lot like the EVO compared to STI and regular Impreza! In the end , if I wanted just a track car , I would choose the EVO but for an everyday car , the STI hands down ! Also my friend just putted a Cobb stg2 in his 2008 EVO gsr and the car don't feel as fast as my 09 STI with cobb stg2 even if it's supposed to have more hp then the STIs. We'll see soon at the 1/4 mile if he beat my 12.5 and 110mph that I've done with my STI with equal mods !

[bruce.augenstein@comcast.]

Originally Posted by mike33176

Bruce; My best times were .298 RT, 1.932 60' and 12.32 @ 113.03mph. I've only been to the dragstrip 2 times. I felt the arrogant sticker called for an arrogant comment.

Assuming stock sneakers, that 1.93 short time demonstrates real skills.

Plus, anytime you can get a 12 second rwd street car on street tires below 1400 when multiplying trap speed times E.T., you are getting pretty much all the car can get, ET-wise.

1400 or below, you're fine. Above 1400, you've got work to do before going for more power.

Pretty damned good for a car that is not especially known for astounding quarter miles. Hats off.

Bruce

[Sean Alexander]

Originally Posted by UnaBomber

half the cylinders and half the cost and the STi will still put up similar lap times around most tracks you would think the all might M would have a much bigger advantage, but the performance is damn near matched out of a 4 banger econo hatchback

Now that's one very slippery, four-banger slope! For $14K, you could just buy a brand-new, stock 2012 Kawasaki Ninja ZX-10R, with a warranty. Take it to the dragstrip and run sub-10-seconds @ 140+ mph, all-day-long. Then (assuming you can ride), take it to a road-course and run -5 seconds per lap faster than the modded STi, all-day-long.... Bang-for-the-buck, indeed!

[M3AN M3]

All I have to say is I have a lot of friends with both STi's and Evos, quite a few went from a STi to and evo and all love the track.. I have never owned a STi but they tell me the Evo X is the better car hands down!
Im selling my built X 550whp-430tq (Pump gas) for a e92! so we will see how that goes

raced a modded e92 on the hwy last yr and I was running only 400whp-340tq and it was some what close, but still pulled on the M3 in 4th-5th

but really thats not my goal for the M3 to make it quick.. im sure its quick enough and I find it very classy esp compared to my X

[Endless619]

Originally Posted by mdosu

oh well, STi can be stupid fast when modded. But what's the point? Any modded car can be faster than any other car.

Agreed. Plus Subaru look horrible at the beginning of the day and at the end of the day so I would pass and never own one. They are an under $30k car, regardless.

[mike33176]

Originally Posted by bruce.augenstein@comcast.

Assuming stock sneakers, that 1.93 short time demonstrates real skills.

Plus, anytime you can get a 12 second rwd street car on street tires below 1400 when multiplying trap speed times E.T., you are getting pretty much all the car can get, ET-wise.

1400 or below, you're fine. Above 1400, you've got work to do before going for more power.

Pretty damned good for a car that is not especially known for astounding quarter miles. Hats off.

Bruce

These times were on Nitto NT05's . Like I said, I've only been to the dragstrip 2 times but, I've been road racing for 18 years. Thanks

[Tonifyd]

Former IWSTI member here
08 sti, intake, uppipe, downpipe, equal length headers, exhaust, proper dyno tune, 265s all around with advan RZ rims. With traffic light street racing e9xs dont stand a chance.

So if he had similar mods, you woulda lost. Maybe he had detonation or wasnt tuned yet and his car was pulling timing. Or maybe not broken into yet? Lol.

But id rather be more comfortable in my E90M

[crabman]

Originally Posted by Sean Alexander

Now that's one very slippery, four-banger slope! For $14K, you could just buy a brand-new, stock 2012 Kawasaki Ninja ZX-10R, with a warranty. Take it to the dragstrip and run sub-10-seconds @ 140+ mph, all-day-long. Then (assuming you can ride), take it to a road-course and run -5 seconds per lap faster than the modded STi, all-day-long.... Bang-for-the-buck, indeed!

Yeah, you have to compare stock for stock when you compare cars. Start adding in car plus mods and you are not comparing the cars anymore but what you might turn them into if they were not what they originally were. This is little more than an arms race which comes down to money.

You can however compare cars plus mods when you look at a set spend versus what you get. For instance at 40k what platform plus mods gets me the most performance? Doesn't matter if its 35 car and 5 mods or 20 car 20 mods, just where are my dollars best spent for the package at a specific total cost. This is the only real way you can make an objective comparison of a car and mods versus another.

[scheherazade]

Originally Posted by Sean Alexander

Now that's one very slippery, four-banger slope! For $14K, you could just buy a brand-new, stock 2012 Kawasaki Ninja ZX-10R, with a warranty. Take it to the dragstrip and run sub-10-seconds @ 140+ mph, all-day-long. Then (assuming you can ride), take it to a road-course and run -5 seconds per lap faster than the modded STi, all-day-long.... Bang-for-the-buck, indeed!

Lol, funny guy.

Everybody knows a ZX-10 can't turn

-scheherazade

[Sean Alexander]

Originally Posted by scheherazade

Everybody knows a ZX-10 can't turn :

I did say go to a dealer and buy new for $14K, which would make the bike an '11 or '12 model... It's not like the old ZX-10R.

-Sean

[jeff@autocouture]

theres a 2011 sti limited sitting in my drive way that my girl drives, only mods are catless invidia exhaust and street tune, against a stock e9x m3, its pulled on plenty, even destroy the e46 m3 by about 4-5 cars...
so ill give credit where credit is due, its a quick car, over 80-100 no way itll keep up, it dies off to fast, but under that and off the line, easily has the m3 beat

[nation]

there are 2 newer m3's ive mopped up with my sti. BUT, this is after larger injectors,turbo ect. and thats the reason im selling it for a 335. i can get the same power levels MUCH easier and have a ton more class.

[Conki9788]

I have read this multiple times....and yet it still makes me chuckle. Very nice.

[Sean Alexander]

Originally Posted by nation

...and have a ton more class.

Sorry to break it to you, but you can't simply purchase "class"

[UnaBomber]

Originally Posted by Sean Alexander

Sorry to break it to you, but you can't simply purchase "class"

bro the M just oozes class.

Look at the quality of posters on this board for an example

[DEV M3]

I have an Evo X and my brother has an STI

I'll take my Evo for performance, and his STI for a daily driver

[M3Denver]

Originally Posted by DEV M3

I have an Evo X and my brother has an STI

I'll take my Evo for performance, and his STI for a daily driver

and importantly you have each other at the end of the day ..... while the M3 guy drives off with the ladies

[forced03]

Another former STi owner to M3 sedan.

2007 Sti Limited: 3071 stock location turbo, full race header, ohlins (fps) suspension, pump gas 91 octane tune, spearco top mount intercooler, all supporting mods for turbo swap..

2011 e90 Comp DCT: Akra evo with delete-r.

I definitely miss the subie.. especially the torque and fun factor around town. Also miss manual, but think I'd still decide to purchase the M again and with DCT. From what I can tell, I will be even happier once I get the M on the track. Obviously the M is nicer, sounds better (with akra (although my STi exhaust exhaust setup sounded great)), wife can drive it- possible negative, better looking... Knowing what I know after owning both, I'd still sell the STi for the M and fork out the extra $ for the e90.

Straight-line acceleration comparison:
When I run my buddy in his e46 (stock), he is much closer to the e90 than he was to the STi. I was devastated the first time we ran each other in the Ms and I barely pulled him (this was on stock exhaust- haven't run since akra but doubt it'll make a drastic change). Based on 2nd gear rolls- running out 2nd, or 2nd and 3rd, or sometimes 2nd 3rd and part of 4th gear but we always shut it down before getting crazy speeds.

Handling:
Think my STi had one of the best setups but too hard to compare without #s/times which I don't have. For comfort M3 has the advantage. For performance I'd guess stock M3 vs stock STi- M3 wins. Most likely even better than my STi with Ohlins, sway bars, 18x9's w/ 255s on all 4 wheels.. but can't say for sure.

Mods: Have always gained satisfaction in modding my cars
STi- Somewhat affordable, did them all myself, fairly easy if mechanically inline. Increased owner sense of value/attachment.
M3- I just spent how much on an exhaust??? Probably won't do too much more but tempted to supercharge down the road despite telling myself I would never go forced induction on a factory NA car again. Never cared about warranties in the past, but can't afford to fix the M3 if something breaks out of warranty.

Can't go wrong with either car

[kwike92]

Originally Posted by Darth One

well I'm sure he can kill Suburbans and Expeditions and stuff. so his v8 killer plate is somewhat justified

Lmao

[happos2]

Originally Posted by Alex07M3

A stg2 STI is in a stock M3s ass but with just a turbo upgrade it can easily become a V8 killer , my friend had a GT35R on a 04 STI and at 25psi he was trapping 122mph and did a best 1/4 mile of 11.7 but that was with a lot of shifting , he was passing the line in 5th ! That car had almost no lag because of the 2.5 engine , montrous torque mixed with AWD and lighweight car made it a beast !! It was just missing a bit of refinement in the cabin but for sure it was a totaly awsome experience being at the wheel of this car !!

All STi's in the US have 2.5 litre engines. GT35 will definitely lag behind a Stock TD04 turbo, lag behind ght GT30 turbo, lag behind the FP Green. Yes, the GT35r does make good power...more than 500+ hp in most applications but it does lag. STi's are a beast when upgraded and a blast to drive. Just doesn't have the refinement that I want.

[had a stg II '05 STi (minus the gigantic part bench wing), E46 M3, now E92 M3...I like power and refinement.]

[mmm def]

Originally Posted by Alex@AUTOcouture

theres a 2011 sti limited sitting in my drive way that my girl drives, only mods are catless invidia exhaust and street tune, against a stock e9x m3, its pulled on plenty, even destroy the e46 m3 by about 4-5 cars...
so ill give credit where credit is due, its a quick car, over 80-100 no way itll keep up, it dies off to fast, but under that and off the line, easily has the m3 beat

swp for sale right? Did she ever sell it?

[jeff@autocouture]

Originally Posted by mmm def

swp for sale right? Did she ever sell it?

nope, only put it here and never carried through trying to, actually trying to sell it now though