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I bought my car new and properly followed break-in procedure. | 125 | 65.79% | |
I leased my car new and properly followed break-in procedure. | 37 | 19.47% | |
I bought my car new and completely disregarded break-in procedure. | 19 | 10.00% | |
I leased my car new and completely disregarded break-in procedure. | 9 | 4.74% | |
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07-20-2011, 06:04 PM | #23 | |
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I was impressed with the dealership when I did do some test driving. They asked me not to take it over 5500 rpm and kept an eye on me...musta been that devilish grin I was wearing. |
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07-20-2011, 06:32 PM | #24 |
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Followed it to a T, 7000miles now, and Supercharged, 0 oil consumption.
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07-20-2011, 06:34 PM | #25 |
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0 oil consumption? Is that even possible? What about owners that have to top off their oil more often? Is that indicative of poor engine health? I thought it was a direct function of how often and how hard you drive...
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07-20-2011, 07:21 PM | #26 |
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I don't have a dog in this hunt...yet. I'm expecting September delivery and very torn about the break-in method when I pick up the car.
I really WANT to follow factory instructions. On the other hand, HBspeed may have a very valid point. I spent several years doing light aircraft maintenance. Granted, the piston 4 and 6 cylinder engines were not nearly as sophisticated as the S65. Most of the aircraft engine designs, when I was working on them, originated in the 1950's and 60's. During that time, we did dozens of engine rebuilds, overhauls and replacements. The standard practice, as well as factory recommendation, was to fly the new engine for no less than an hour at as close to 100% RPM as was possible to force the rings to properly seal in the cylinders. Followed by the next 5-10 hours at 90% RPM for proper break-in. That procedure, at least on those type of engines, still applies today. So, is the recommended break-in by BMW really for future engine reliability? Or is it truly a way to limit buyers from acting like idiots the moment they leave the lot? I have no idea the answer. I also have no idea how I will break-in my new M3. |
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07-20-2011, 07:33 PM | #27 | |
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As most of us receive the cars here in North America you can be sure by the time you receive them the majority of your engine breakin has happened before you ever even sat in the car.Most of the breakin is for your transmission & rear end not the engine and for liability issues.Biggest thing to do for engine life is to have proper temps before high RPM & load and proper frequent oil changes |
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07-20-2011, 08:02 PM | #28 |
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New car "break-in" is really not just for the motor at all. You have brand new tires with mold release still on them, brand new pads and rotors, and of course new differential, transmission, clutch, etc, etc. Everyone seems to think they are breaking in their motor and that BMW engineers actually wrote the break-in procedure (it is probably written by lawyers), but in reality the 1200 mile break in is probably just some good advice not to beat the crap out of your car until everything has had a chance to wear in a bit, and to be a little careful until you get used to things. Also keep in mind that the break-in mileage is somewhat arbitrary. I guarantee my dirt bike is completely broken-in with 500 miles on it, and that my M3 was well broken-in before 1200 miles (used for 12 mile commute to work for first two months) but driving straight home from a dealership 1200 miles away only on the highway would only be one heat cycle and probably doesn't break in the brakes, differential, transmission, or clutch properly.
I find it funny how passionate folks are about a procedure they don't really fully understand, just cause it is written in the manual. I know folks that follow break-in to letter, but will then do crazy things like go full throttle to redline on a cold motor or lug the crap out of the motor to the point it starts chugging. The bottom line is to use some common sense, break in all the components with many heat cycles and limited heat/abuse, and don't get to carried away with driving like a grandma such that you miss the point of the process. Last edited by racer01; 07-20-2011 at 08:08 PM.. |
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07-20-2011, 08:20 PM | #29 |
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I don't know about the factory break in either. I think an early oil change is obviously crucial just so that you flush out any manufacturing "debris". I ran my STi to redline the day I got it. I didn't drive it hard regularly but definitely took it to redline but I did change the oil in the first 1000 miles. Several people told me my car was a factory freak. It consistently made 10-15 more hp on the dyno compared to cars with similar mods. I've heard that running a car to redline causes the pistons to travel slightly further in the cylinder thereby "fully" wearing in the cylinder wall. Who knows if its true or not.
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07-20-2011, 08:28 PM | #30 |
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I broke in mine by the book up to 400 miles but I still did some wot passes up to that. After 400 I started gradually revving higher and was redlining by 800 miles. I'm at 8k miles now and haven't added a drop of oil.
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07-20-2011, 09:11 PM | #31 |
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Can someone clear up the ambiguity in the phrase "oil consumption" as it relates to this context? Certainly, our cars burn through oil, and in that regard, it is consumed, but it appears from the discussion that it is possible for oil to be "consumed" via leaks as well, from perhaps an improperly broken in engine? Is that correct?
Is there an easy way of distinguishing in which manner that oil is being consumed? What are some things to look for? I've probably added three quarts of oil in 12,000 miles. Do I have a "consumption" issue? As for break in, I can see what folks are saying regarding the engine not being the primary concern, but the other drive components in addition to the engine. In light of some of the points elucidated in this thread, I suppose a lot of people can safely rethink the break in and just use common sense in what they do when they get the car.
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07-20-2011, 09:53 PM | #32 | |
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07-20-2011, 10:05 PM | #33 |
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I'm curious. I wonder how many people who didn't follow the break-in procedure did a European Delivery? I mean the lure of unlimited autobahn speeds and a 414hp M3 could be one of those "things that make you go hummmm."
I'm not saying that influenced me but....
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07-20-2011, 10:25 PM | #34 |
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Break-in? What the hell is a break-in?
JK! I brought my car brand new, had just been delivered to YYC from Germany and nobody had snapped it up (lucky me!).. Had about 15kms when I picked her up, never followed the break-in procedure at all.. If something does go wrong with anything electronically or any of the parts it IS covered as many of the people who own these cars tend to forget and all they can think about are the large repair bills, then again even if you have to fork out for the repair bills you should be able to afford it! Don't buy an expensive car (E92 M3 brand new is around $100k this side of the border) if you can't afford the up keep. If you leased your car then maybe you follow it so the next person doesn't have to 'worry' about anything, but then only if your a real nice guy lol. I paid for an ///M so I'm going to drive it like an ///M.. Side-note; I think the E92 M3 is one of the all time greats in an artistic point-of-view when it comes to cars, so for that I am 99.9% sure I would never sell this beauty which in turn should not worry anyone who might want to buy a JB E92 down the road in Canada Last edited by BMW Fanatic; 07-20-2011 at 11:53 PM.. |
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I also know of some people that took the new M to the track with only 300 miles and ran them up to the limiter. I got about 12k miles and it has consumed about 1 quart of oil. Also has had two all day track events.
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I didn't mean LITERALLY 0 consumption. I guess I should have been more clear. I haven't had to add any oil and the level is still at full. I drive the car steady some days and some days I stretch it's legs! Haha! I will be changing the oil soon (no way I would go 15,000 between changes) and I'll see how much drains!
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I had the break service in 8 days, Euro delivery, followed the break in procedure. All trips were at the minimum 45 minutes; most were much longer and up to 5.5 hours. It was a mix of city driving, side roads, mountain passes and Autobahn. Even now I am very aware to allow the engine to be at operating temp before I push it. I have very little oil consumption and only noticed it when my trips were short.
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75% throttle, ~5500ish RPM was fine for the first 1200 miles. I even went on the Nurburgring but did not redline the car... might have hit 5500-6000 or something a couple times, but that's not going to kill it. Oil @ 1050 miles or so.
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07-21-2011, 01:20 AM | #39 | |
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When I said that exceeding a speed limit increases risk, I was referring to a simple fact: The higher the speed the greater the risk of more serious damage/injury. Period. It's physics. If you crash going 90 it's worse than when you crash going 80. That was the only premise my previous statement contemplated. What all of that meant in the context of new vehicle break-in is that you can exceed the prescribed limits, but the more you do, the greater the risk of resultant and manifest damage. At least, that is the BMW school of thought, as gleaned from the guidelines in the owner's manual. I'm starting to see why they might be too stringent or unnecessary based on some responses in this thread. Whether or not there is a legal reason for doing all this is unclear. I will say that it seems far-fetched. Pretty much any vehicle has the potential to injure. But when you're talking about an extremely fast car, you REALLY bring assumption of risk and contributory negligence into play. BMW's insulated from liability for any idiocy you commit in the car under your own conscious decisions anyway. They certainly don't need a phony break-in procedure to cover their ass.
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This is what I did, kept it under 5500 the entire time. Picked mine up with 2 miles I had to add about 0.5L at about 400 miles, and nothing after that. The first 200 miles were all off the autoban and the B-roads with lots of load on the engine and engine braking. |
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I'm not saying that the 1200 miles break-in is not important. There are likely many reasons that we don't know about. I'm just not certain that following all the rules to a "T" is all that important. |
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Not if you do a long road trip and be done with the first 1200 miles in 2 days!!!!! I have NO IDEA how can someone buy/lease a new M3 and make it sit in the garage, taking a month to get to 1200 miles...I spent more time in my M3 than in my bed first 2-3 days (if not driving it, in the garage getting to know it)..
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