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06-17-2009, 01:10 PM | #1 |
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E90 M3 6MT vs Porsche 911 C2 S PDK
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Ever since I saw that you tube clip of the porsche dominating the m3 I needed to see this for myself. A friend of mine just picked up a 2009 911 C2 S PDK and we had it out today. Here are the results; After 5 different launches the results were fairly consistent; The 911 pulls about a car length instantly and then adds about a half a car length through 1st gear. I had a great launch once and there was only about a car length. My traction control was off of course but I did manage my tire spin quite well. I had a noticeable chirp in second and then a smaller on in third. 911 was in launch mode. After three rolling starts in second the 911's did not have the same separation, only about 1 car length until I went into third. Okay, here is were it gets interesting though, rolling start in second about a car length for him then I shifted into third and closed the gap and then when I sifted into 4th my M was king! Oh Ya. I had my redemption after him having his way with me. Closed out the day with the tightest figure eight burnout smoke show to show my true colors. Still with would not trade my car for his. |
06-17-2009, 01:16 PM | #3 |
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Since your friend "just picked up" the 911, run again when the 911 has at least 5k break in miles on it.
Since the non S 911 PDK is about equal to the M3 in acceleration (actually according to C&D's recent test the non S 911 PDK can slightly pull on an M3), the 911 S PDK when it's broken in will pull significantly more. Porsche's need a decent amount of break in to perform best. |
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Yeah, hard to say.
M5board has a video of the 911 C2S easily pulling away from the M3. Car and Driver did a test of the M3 DCT vs non S 911 PDK and the Porsche slightly out accelerated the M3. Clearly then the S version would of pulled away even more. 385 hp vs 414 but the Porsche is what 400 lbs lighter. From what I've seen M3's trap in the 111-112 mph range with a manual and 113 range with DCT. The OLD 911 C2S with 355 hp and manual trapped around 112. That is an even race with the M3. The new 09 911 C2S with 30 more horses and PDK I believe traps in the 115+ range. It should slowly pull on the M3 DCT as it does below: Run your buddy again with video. How many miles on the Porsche? |
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Something you have to remember is that I can pull 1 1/2 - 2 car lengths from a stock M3 in each gear. If there are non believers in my area please send me an email. i would be happy to prove. Now with my mods at the crank I am probably nearing 480-490 ish. Hopefully will have my car dyno'd tomorrow to have the true wheel numbers. Not sure how many miles on the 911 but will find out. The 911 clearly had the wholeshot but in later gears my car preformed very well. |
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Will this make much of a difference? Last edited by Brianrg; 06-17-2009 at 03:57 PM.. |
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I was on the track on Monday and an M6 could not pull away from me. check this out. |
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I was NOT aware your car was modded. I thought we were talking about a stock M3 vs 911 C2S The fact your car has mods, that explains the outcome. Personally that puts the 911 C2 S power in an even higher light that it could jump 1 CL on you and hold that for some time considering you have gears, pulley, tune, and exhaust. Again, that explains it. Stock C2S with PDK should trap in the 115-116 range, and your probably in the 116+ range yourself with your mods. But keep in mind, with only 500 miles on his odometer, his car is only going to get stronger over the next 2-3k miles. |
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Porsches have great launches with the engine weight just above the rear tires but with your mods Im NOT surprised at all with your results on the rolling starts. Your car with its current mods should beat a stock M5 on rolling starts (look up DLSj5 I believe he has some good youtube vids) and look how it pulls away from the Porsche.
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I should have mentioned the mods in the first post. |
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My car is a beast in 3rd and 4th. I am convinced there will be noticeable distance between my car and his. Definitely will have vids to prove the results. |
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In all the comparo's I've done, my results do not seem to gel with Gustav's vids of modded DCT M3 runs. My car is not a freak either, as another DCT with bolt ons and I were very close in one run.
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You are right had my car dyno'd last week and the numbers were not as high as I thought they would be. Definitely over estimated. I do have the cat delete and I think the 4.10 diff really helps. They are going to email me all the info and I will post their spreadsheet at that time. That said, the numbers were a little lower than expected, 355 hp and 260 tourque with 91 octane We had two runs and only ran the car to 8100 rpm's. I wish I ran my car when it was stock to see the difference. B |
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