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The M3 may well indeed be a more entertaining drive than the C63, and if there's a significant difference there, I'd tend to favor the M3 in terms of which I'd be most likely to buy. However, Mercedes is apparently getting its act together around handling, so for those of us who don't give a damn about any particular manufacturer, this is a very interesting scenario we have unfolding before us. Bruce |
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So then is a 335i not good around town? I don't think anyone would say that.
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I don't think you get it about automatics. You can hit that corner with any revs you please with either a stick or auto. Bruce |
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08-03-2007, 09:39 AM | #52 | |
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There are skilled shifters out there, and can shift under power during a normal turn at a street intersection and keep it at the edge or just beyond in a balanced controlled exit. That level of performance (exactatude) can not be acheived with an automatic...!! -Garrett |
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I guess for me when I'm driving, I don't spend to much time thinking about what particular situation I am in at a given time and which other cars I could be driving that would "destroy" mine if I were driving them instead, or "destroy" me if someone else happened to be driving them near by. That's not to say I don't want the most car for my money. I just figure every car has its tradeoffs. In the past, maybe the MB has had too many. This time things might change. But we don't know yet. Quote:
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08-03-2007, 09:51 AM | #54 |
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Hey sorry for the OT post, but Bruce I just want to ask a small favor. When you split up someone's post to reply to it, can you add the [quote ] and [/quote ] tags around each section? The red is fine too, but its hard to reply to your posts without those tags inserted properly.
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bimmers get you laid faster... more important than any 0-60!
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honestly, I've been an M3 "die hard" fanatic since the time I used to drive a Toyota Celica (college) -> Mitsu. Eclipse(intern) -> E46 M3 (grad).
Now... I'm contemplating because the MB torque, massive aggressive-front/bumper/flares looks awesome to me. Except, I heard from this thread that the interior if seen "in person" is cheesy on the new Cs(thanks for the info) and "limited ext color" choice, the BACK is FUGLY (sorry). I've yet to hear more reviews.... I really hope M3 would still stand out, maybe not overall but the "FUN to drive" and look..... This forum also made me realize that the price are not apart to each other C63 AMG and M3. definitely no to RS4 or RS5 though
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:rocks: bro, totally agree....
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I agree 100%... Like I said in my original post to this thread - I can't believe I'm seriously considering a MB. Between the E90 M3 and C63 (even the RS4), it's simply amazing that you'll be able to get a sedan with this level of performance in the near future! I own C6 Z06 and think there's a good chance that one of these "super sedans" will be able to suffice as my only car in a few years... No, it won't be as fast as my C6Z on the track (7:43 lap on the Ring), but seeing as I only do 4-5 HPDE's a year, I'm sure it'll suffice
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The 335i automatic probably does not have less tranny losses - it is absolutely under-rated by BMW. I'd be willing to bet the C63 slush box loses AT LEAST 30 hp just from the tranny, not the rest of the drive train or other parastic losses. More likely closer to 40. Quote:
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Having owned both BMWs ( 550i) and Benz (current ride) i will have to go with the M3.
The M3 is like a finely tuned scalpel while the AMG is like a hammer,yes both are exremely fast and lustworthy but to hear that 8,400 redline,that finely tuned sinewy suspension and the general cohesiveness of the M3 all add up to the legendary black magic that BMW bestows on all M automobiles. Also the AMG engines at full tilt tend to sound rough and tractor like as the revs build,current GF drives 2006 SLK 55 and even though it is eyeball bending fast the whole package does not feel as symbiotic as my boss Z4 M.
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08-04-2007, 08:25 AM | #65 | |
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In that comment, I wasn't implying that you have as much control with an automatic as with a stick, but now that you mention it, you pretty much do. In terms of skilled shifters, *nobody* powershifts in a 90 degree turn - at least, not if you're at or near the limit. It upsets the chassis, and at the very least, you're going to be spending the next several seconds trying to gather it back up, assuming you don't prang anything. At that point, the other guy (who did the corner correctly) is way the hell up there where you won't catch him. In regard to automatics vs sticks: While you weren't looking, they got a bunch better, and sticks didn't. Today's best autos are flat better (meaning faster and more responsive, while maintaining smoothness) than today's best sticks. I've been powershifting since I got my first new car (a '64 TriPower GTO), but I can't match the shift speeds of nearly any good automatic, obviously including today's stick-without-a-clutch-pedal autos. Likewise, I have several thousand track miles under my (rather massive) belt, and have been instructiing in those venues for the last couple of years, but I can't consistently rev-match on downshifts (while braking for a turn) as well as today's best autos can. My position is that the feeling of control you get while driving a stick is now largely an illusion. Automatics just flat get it done. By the way, I've been a stick guy for over 40 years, so all this flat pisses me off. I may have to join the dark side with my next car, just because autos are now effortlessly quicker than sticks. Bruce |
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You can really haul the mail without your right-seat significant other noticing, not to mention the cops. Then, when you're interested in going for it, you can enjoy all the cool noises and adrenaline rush that goes with reaching for the red line. Bruce |
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