2013 SVT Mustang GT500

[mark896]

Originally Posted by swanson

Its a joke. lighten up

My bad. You gotta be on your toes in this place..

[swanson]

[M3 Montreal]

Originally Posted by swanson

This is my problem with the GT500... It's still focusing on straight line.

Like I said earlier in this thread that I've been following both the ZL1 and the 2013 GT500.

Where the ZL1 has been focusing on track prowess and all the engineering that went into it going fast on a racetrack.

When the ZL1 was given to the press to test drive it was in 2 areas... The street to show how civil and good it drives as a DD and then the second half is the track.

I think most people that buy an M3 prefer track use and DD I know I do.

Until the GT500 starts telling car testers to test it on well known tracks it's still just a straight line car for me and that's why I stopped myself from ordering it and ordered another E92 M3.

At least the ZL1 can boast an amazing lap of 7:41 at the ring and it beat out the 2011 GTR at VIR.

We know the new GT500 can go fast yet again but we already knew that old GT500's were always fast in straight lines.

I'm looking forward to the next chassis GT500 and ZL1. Then they might have my business.

[conradb]

Originally Posted by sycd

Bunch of crappy plastic put together with a monster engine in the middle. They can keep it.

Pa-lease. You wrote a BS one-liner dismissing the Ford instantly because it doesn't fit in with your luxury car lifestyle.

Let's face it, the M3 is a luxury car with sports equipment. The GT500 is the opposite; sports car with some luxury equipment. There is nothing BMW has that can even touch the new GT500, and I would bet my life savings that even the next generation M3 won't even come close to the GT500 on the Nurburgring.

You bought an M3 because you wanted performance and class. Maybe the GT500 isn't quite classy enough for you, but the performance it offers is unrivaled by most other cars out there; especially for the price.

[Dave07997S]

Originally Posted by M3 Montreal

This is my problem with the GT500... It's still focusing on straight line.

Like I said earlier in this thread that I've been following both the ZL1 and the 2013 GT500.

Where the ZL1 has been focusing on track prowess and all the engineering that went into it going fast on a racetrack.

When the ZL1 was given to the press to test drive it was in 2 areas... The street to show how civil and good it drives as a DD and then the second half is the track.

I think most people that buy an M3 prefer track use and DD I know I do.

Until the GT500 starts telling car testers to test it on well known tracks it's still just a straight line car for me and that's why I stopped myself from ordering it and ordered another E92 M3.

At least the ZL1 can boast an amazing lap of 7:41 at the ring and it beat out the 2011 GTR at VIR.

We know the new GT500 can go fast yet again but we already knew that old GT500's were always fast in straight lines.

I'm looking forward to the next chassis GT500 and ZL1. Then they might have my business.

This is rubbish, the GT500 even the 2011 smoked an M3 on the Lightning Lap of America. Granted I'm sure the horsepower advantage had something to do with it, but to say its just a straight line car is just ludicrous.

[Giggs]

holy crap that thing is a beast! I didn't used to like Mustangs (at all), but I have to say, Ford has come a long way and now I have mad respect for this thing.

[Peteypab2133]

The new GT500 is probably the best bang for the buck. Interior is not that bad and actually came a long way.

The seats are not as plush as an M3, and the doors and dash leave a bit to be desired. But the big fat steering wheel covered in suede and the shift knob is solid feeling leaving the car to feel very euro at times.

I think the 2015 redesign will offer more luxury to command a following in europe.

[Alpha///M]

Displacement: 355 cu in, 5812 cc
Power: 662 hp @ 6500 rpm
Torque: 631 lb-ft @ 4000 rpm

Damn, TORQUE MONSTER!!

[avex8]

god i love GT500. I am thinking about trading my m3 for it lol.

[tibra1]

Originally Posted by M3Denver

Give me a ford car with a shape I can love and I'll ditch the m

[Tobbep]

Originally Posted by M3 Montreal

This is my problem with the GT500... It's still focusing on straight line.

Like I said earlier in this thread that I've been following both the ZL1 and the 2013 GT500.

Where the ZL1 has been focusing on track prowess and all the engineering that went into it going fast on a racetrack.

When the ZL1 was given to the press to test drive it was in 2 areas... The street to show how civil and good it drives as a DD and then the second half is the track.

I think most people that buy an M3 prefer track use and DD I know I do.

Until the GT500 starts telling car testers to test it on well known tracks it's still just a straight line car for me and that's why I stopped myself from ordering it and ordered another E92 M3.

At least the ZL1 can boast an amazing lap of 7:41 at the ring and it beat out the 2011 GTR at VIR.

We know the new GT500 can go fast yet again but we already knew that old GT500's were always fast in straight lines.

I'm looking forward to the next chassis GT500 and ZL1. Then they might have my business.

They were not focusing only on a straight line. The purpose was to put the Shelby in the 200mph club and I don't think that could have been done on the regular racetrack. I also think most people are not giving the GT500 the credit it is due.

[Alpha///M]

I give it plenty of credit after watching the 13+ minute vid. But my feelings have not changed with the overall look of the car. Our M's blow the stangs appearance away, inside and out, except for the front. I think there equally menacing. I'm bias tho, I never liked any stang, old or new. I don't even like their trucks. Just MO. Don't want to start any wrangling with Ford lovers...

[Dave07997S]

Originally Posted by Alpha///M

I give it plenty of credit after watching the 13+ minute vid. But my feelings have not changed with the overall look of the car. Our M's blow the stangs appearance away, inside and out, except for the front. I think there equally menacing. I'm bias tho, I never liked any stang, old or new. I don't even like their trucks. Just MO. Don't want to start any wrangling with Ford lovers...

Thats all fine except its your opinion, many of us M lovers love the GT500 as well. I obviously put my money where my mouth is, but there were other reasons I didn't get the Mustang even when the alum. block 2011s came out.

Dave

[Moxie]

What a beast - Gets to 140 MPH in 3rd gear...

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...00-test-review

[Longboarder]

Originally Posted by Darth One

some of the people on this forum need to relax a bit and keep an open mind. personally, as a car enthusiast i LOVE that all these mega multinational companies are spending unimaginable amounts of money to build better and better cars that i would like.

we car enthusiasts are in the driver's seat, pun intended. when i go to buy my next car i'll be able to choose something that's faster, quicker, goes around a track faster, etc.

Well said.

Competition is a great thing. Even if you don't like this Mustang, you can be sure that BMW is taking notice.

[Moxie]

[stefan]

I don't really get why everyone bashes the mustang for being "fast in a straight line" when most people on here really are all about that. Babbling on about torque and such.

Anyway, this thread had me intrigued. I went down to the ferd dealership. No gt500s available for test drive, so I figured I'd test drive the boss 302 to get an idea of the chassis setup and f-n-f. Materials aren't great inside, but it has come a long way from what I remember. No rattles. And seriously.. That exhaust note, amazing. It doesn't rev up fast or particularly high but it does make power at a long range leading up to redline. The steering was impeccable--very similar to E46 M3 ZCP (best bmw steering imo). Clutch felt good, shifter action was great.

In fact from an overall tactile driving perspective I have to say I liked it better than my m3. Hate to say it, really. You guys (including myself) are always going on about how the E9x lacks rawness, even compared to e46. Well.. Here's your car. The boss has that extra bit of tuning to pull the 5L motor a little further away from "american" and a little closer to euro.

On the other hand, visibility is terrible, styling is pretty cheesy, live rear axle is quite noticeable over even the slightest of rough roads. But I mean I really think its worth a test drive. And that's just talking about the boss. I'm wondering if I shouldn't jump on the gt500 bandwagon before I have to "settle down" with kids and what not.

I'm curious what you guys think--particularly just from the user inputs perspective (steering, throttle, power, clutch). I loved it.

[TheKosherStogie]

^ good input

I wrote a review yesterday on an extensive test drive of the boss. Great car and will prob be getting it

Review
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=706517

[Ghetto2315]

If this car can be anywhere near as good of a DD for every day driving as our M3s, I will have to consider this in the near future. Amazing that car isn't subject to a Gas Guzzler Tax, but we are.

This bring me to my next point/question. Jeremy Clarkson said that the current generation 5-Series is darn good, that its hard to justify the extra premium for an M5. So is the GT500 worth the extra $10K-$15K premium over a Boss 302? I've never driven either, but I've heard nothing but praise for the 302.

[Moxie]

Evolution Performance offers a tune, intake & catless pipes for it. For the ~$2K they advertise you can add 100HP & 75 Lbs Torque.

[stefan]

Originally Posted by Ghetto2315

If this car can be anywhere near as good of a DD for every day driving as our M3s, I will have to consider this in the near future. Amazing that car isn't subject to a Gas Guzzler Tax, but we are.

On a side note, is this car worth the extra $10K-$15K premium over a Boss 302? I've never driven either, but I've heard nothing but praise for the 302...

Even if we just look at the factory supercharger kit with warranty, I'd say that's probably worth $15K given that people on here spend more than that on warranty-voiding S/C kits. To me, the boss vs gt500 really comes down to whether or not you plan on going FI soon, in which case I'd say eat the extra $15000 and roll it into your payments.

[M3 Montreal]

I came VERY close to putting a downpayment on the GT500. None to test drive so I drove a mustang GT that is supposed to be a competitor to the M3.

After driving it for a week over the bumpy montreal roads and feeling that terrible rear suspension I changed my mind.

Competition is great bit until Ford puts a good IRS I will pass on the current body.

Waiting for my second E92 M3 which should be delivered in August.