Ultimate Brake Fluid Test

Redd · 06-22-2016, 09:03 AM

For those of you still on SRF, Motul or (shudder) ATE.

http://thebuildjournal.com/reviews/u...view-analysis/

Redd

CIFUM3 · 06-22-2016, 09:43 AM

Thanks for sharing! I'm planning on flushing my fluid soon I'm still on OEM fluid. I bought a few bottles of the Motul RB600

italyix · 06-22-2016, 10:40 AM

Awesome read and find! I run rbf600 and always wondered why the pedal felt so mushy. Will switch to endless on next flush.

nholmes · 06-22-2016, 11:48 AM

Interesting. I've been running ATE for seven years now without issue. I guess I'm just not on the brakes that much.

Richbot · 06-22-2016, 12:08 PM

How is this in any way a test? For some of the fluids it simply notes they are using the fluid in some dude's car

cenix · 06-22-2016, 12:26 PM

Doesn't look like much of a test to me.

elim11 · 06-23-2016, 11:33 AM

Nice find.
It lays out all of the key specifications across the different brake fluids in an organized easy to interpret fashion.

I may try endless next, I noticed some spongy brake pedal feel during my first session with PFC bbk and SRF. However, subsequent sessions the pedal was back to normal. weird.

Redd · 06-23-2016, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by nholmes

Interesting. I've been running ATE for seven years now without issue. I guess I'm just not on the brakes that much.

Try Endless and you will know what you've been missing. I first used ATE Super Blue in 1998 in my Golf3 GTI-VR6. Used it up until 2005 in my cars. Then tried Motul RBF660 for a few years. That was much better than ATE. My last two cars have been on Endless RF650 and it's by far the best fluid I've ever used.

nholmes · 06-23-2016, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Redd

Try Endless and you will know what you've been missing.

Which is what, exactly?

I'm open to trying alternatives, just not sure how greener the grass actually is.

Redd · 06-23-2016, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by nholmes

Which is what, exactly?

I'm open to trying alternatives, just not sure how greener the grass actually is.

First of all, pedal feel is greatly improved. Like night and day difference. Brake fade resistance is also greatly improved. I've boiled both Super Blue and Motul 660 at track, but never the Endless fluid. But the single biggest difference for Endless is the nice firm pedal it provides. It's something you appreciate every time you use the brake pedal.

Dreamer99 · 06-23-2016, 08:42 PM

Tough choices. If your M was mostly a daily driver but were doing two or three open track sessions a year on a track notoriously hard on brakes what level of brake fluid is best? On OEM pads currently but purchased some PFC08's to try on stock rotors next time out. Currently flushing fluid once a year.

Redd · 06-23-2016, 09:59 PM

IMHO brake fluid is cheap enough that you should get the best out there. There are no negatives to a better fluid, other than price. It's not like track pads which may score brake discs. I daily my M3 and I run Endless fluid with no problems.

admranger · 06-24-2016, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by elim11

Nice find.
It lays out all of the key specifications across the different brake fluids in an organized easy to interpret fashion.

I may try endless next, I noticed some spongy brake pedal feel during my first session with PFC bbk and SRF. However, subsequent sessions the pedal was back to normal. weird.

I noticed this too. I never had any issues on track with feel or modulation so I just ignore it now.

I have Torque 700 in the E46M3 and it has a very firm pedal feel. I've heard really good things about the Endless fluid too. Might give that a go for giggles...

nholmes · 06-24-2016, 11:45 AM

I noticed Prospeed RS683 wasn't included in that list.

Dreamer99 · 06-24-2016, 12:18 PM

I'm checking out the Endless website now. They also have an S-FOUR product. Anyone tried this?

Vybz · 06-24-2016, 01:00 PM

Wish I had found this post before I did my brake fluid flush last week lol

Quality information, and I even discovered a new brand which I was unaware of (Torque).

After 2-3 track days I'll flush again and try out either Endless or Torque. They aren't anywhere near as expensive as the article makes them out to be too.

Endless on Amazon.com = $50.00

Torque from either ECS Tuning/Evasive Motorsports = $33.95

Look forward to see how the 2 compare to ATE 200.

Redd · 06-24-2016, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Vybz

Look forward to see how the 2 compare to ATE 200.

Do feedback here!

HP Autosport · 06-29-2016, 06:28 PM

Doesn't seem like much of a test to me.

M3 Number 86 · 07-11-2016, 06:23 PM

so Endless is supposedly better (article and OP) but it has a wet boiling point 15 points lower than SRF.

So does that mean, you have great pedal feel until you boil your fluid - which leads to shitty pedal feel - while on the SRF you haven't boiled nothing yet?

I don't get it.

I always though to look at wet boiling point to get heat performance.

Redd · 07-11-2016, 10:23 PM

If you're driving to the limit of your fluid's temperature capabilities, pedal feel isn't your main problem.

E36Racer · 07-20-2016, 02:35 PM

How much fluid do I need for a flush? Is 1L enough?

nholmes · 07-20-2016, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by E36Racer

How much fluid do I need for a flush? Is 1L enough?

I've been able to get away with 1L

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italyix Captain 141 Rep 979 Posts Drives: '08 E90 M3 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Bay Area iTrader: (5)	Awesome read and find! I run rbf600 and always wondered why the pedal felt so mushy. Will switch to endless on next flush. __________________ Mods: too many the list wont fit in the sig page. PM me Tesla Referral code: http://ts.la/juliana77782
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elim11 Major 424 Rep 1,325 Posts Drives: e90m3 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: irvine/sf iTrader: (13)	Nice find. It lays out all of the key specifications across the different brake fluids in an organized easy to interpret fashion. I may try endless next, I noticed some spongy brake pedal feel during my first session with PFC bbk and SRF. However, subsequent sessions the pedal was back to normal. weird. __________________
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Dreamer99 Lieutenant 87 Rep 400 Posts Drives: E92M3 Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: British Columbia iTrader: (1)	Tough choices. If your M was mostly a daily driver but were doing two or three open track sessions a year on a track notoriously hard on brakes what level of brake fluid is best? On OEM pads currently but purchased some PFC08's to try on stock rotors next time out. Currently flushing fluid once a year.
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Redd Brigadier General 3900 Rep 4,164 Posts Drives: 2010 BMW E92 M3 Dakar Edition Join Date: Jul 2015 Location: Malaysia iTrader: (0)	IMHO brake fluid is cheap enough that you should get the best out there. There are no negatives to a better fluid, other than price. It's not like track pads which may score brake discs. I daily my M3 and I run Endless fluid with no problems.
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M3 Number 86 Major General 3221 Rep 6,218 Posts Drives: black m3 Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: pasadena iTrader: (1)	so Endless is supposedly better (article and OP) but it has a wet boiling point 15 points lower than SRF. So does that mean, you have great pedal feel until you boil your fluid - which leads to shitty pedal feel - while on the SRF you haven't boiled nothing yet? I don't get it. I always though to look at wet boiling point to get heat performance. __________________ dadmobile IG: @M3number86 youtube: track vids
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