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      07-05-2013, 11:15 AM   #45
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What I am curious of though is that is this just the last E92 M3 or the last E92 in general.
Good question. I have no idea, but I somehow suspect that it was probably not the last E92.

Speaking of lasts, an E93 M3 also won't be the last naturally aspirated BMW when it rolls of the line later this year - which is sort of too bad since it would have been nice to see the S65 get that honor. But the N43 and N52 will still be used a bit longer in the E82/E88, and the N53 is still hanging around in the 530i and 730i in some markets.
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      07-05-2013, 11:16 AM   #46
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The 335is was amazing for trolling around my neighborhoods in West Hollywood and Bev Hills due to the low speed limits. You can have your fun to 35-45 mph with the torquey engine.

That car ran out of breath pretty fast at higher speeds.
So now the N54 is only good for speeds up to 45mph before it dies?
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      07-05-2013, 11:26 AM   #47
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I would say its 40% DCT. I know about 6 others with E9x M3's and only one of those other 6 are DCT.
Way too low. A quick survey of the used car market will show that most of the cars out there are DCT. Probably as high as 80-90%.
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Dear S65, e.g., one of the best production V8s ever made. Your redline, power band & visceral soundtrack was amazing and unprecedented. At some point, this car will be as sought after as the E30 M3.

It's the kind of engine we'll be telling our [grand]kids about one day.

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      07-05-2013, 11:27 AM   #49
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Grateful to have one sitting in my garage
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      07-05-2013, 11:29 AM   #50
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people complain about bmw going to turbos for the new m, yet I see lots of e92s supercharged left and right...
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yea...who's the lucky guy getting the last M3 Coupe?
I think the last one goes into the museum. So the question is more who got the 2nd to last one.
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      07-05-2013, 11:30 AM   #52
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Sad day. I hope they have a special send off video.
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      07-05-2013, 11:32 AM   #53
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Will BMW race the new M coupe on American Lemans Series?
You never know. For now I would expect them to stick with the Z4 awhile. Frankly if they are allowed to use the Z4 with the V8 indefinitely, it would make sense to keep using that car now and into its next generation. Why go back to the larger body and passenger compartment if the sanctioning body does not force you to?
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What we lament is the loss of a true Motorsport engine, designed from the ground up for an M car...... This will be the first M3 with a powertrain designed around fuel economy.
I agree with you about the "true" motorsport engine, but if we can have an engine with very high performance which surely the new M4/M3 will have AND get good gas mileage I'm all for that. Why not?

For what I paid for my 328i I could have purchased a clean used E92 M3. The problem is I drive a LOT and I cant afford the 8-11 MPG the M3 gets vs the 23 MPG I'm averaging in my 328i. If the new M can achieve 18 MPG+ then of course I rather have an M3!

The new Porsche 991 Turbo makes 560 hp and 516 lb-ft of torque and gets 29 MPG (on the European cycle) with a 3.8 liter 6. THAT is awesome! I think BMW can do much better than the outgoing super thirsty V8.
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Grateful to have one sitting in my garage
My sentiments exactly...

Very happy to get my 1 of < 10,000 last year!

If anyone has the ability to track down the info, I'd also like to know the 6MT/DCT numbers, and also how many of each body style were sold in the U.S. (or North America).

Would be cool to know that mine's one of 2500 in the States!
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      07-05-2013, 11:36 AM   #56
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So now the N54 is only good for speeds up to 45mph before it dies?
Lol that's not what I said. It's all good. Your 1M and the N54 is a sweet engine. I didn't think I'd have to get so wordy in explaining that the N54 is great from 0-whatever speed due to its torque that is available from 1500 rpm on. But it's no secret that the M3 gets better as you get to go higher in the rpm range.

No offense...hope I didn't insult your car bro.
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      07-05-2013, 11:39 AM   #57
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Lord. I do wonder how many people that complain about turbo lag have actually driven a car with the N54, N55 or the S63. They behave almost identically to large displacement NA engines. BMW has made miscues in recent times. Their turbo technology, however, isn't one of those areas.

*ehem* HPFP....
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Dear S65, e.g., one of the best production V8s ever made. Your redline, power band & visceral soundtrack was amazing and unprecedented. At some point, this car will be as sought after as the E30 M3.

It's the kind of engine we'll be telling our [grand]kids about one day.

Telling them about it?

How about taking them for rides in it?!

Love the thought of keeping this car, and keeping it running, that long...
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I agree with you about the "true" motorsport engine, but if we can have an engine with very high performance which surely the new M4/M3 will have AND get good gas mileage I'm all for that. Why not?

For what I paid for my 328i I could have purchased a clean used E92 M3. The problem is I drive a LOT and I cant afford the 8-11 MPG the M3 gets vs the 23 MPG I'm averaging in my 328i. If the new M can achieve 18 MPG+ then of course I rather have an M3!

The new Porsche 991 Turbo makes 560 hp and 516 lb-ft of torque and gets 29 MPG (on the European cycle) with a 3.8 liter 6. THAT is awesome! I think BMW can do much better than the outgoing super thirsty V8.
If gas is an issue, you shouldn't be in an M car. Period.
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I had some heavy doubts and even a couple weeks before I got serious about getting into a new M3 coupe, I have been saying I'll never get this car because its a blink away from being outdated (not irrelevant). Then I looked at the competiion....get another 335is? no. Get an S5? Snore. Get an RS5? maybe...it's highly exclusive and a nice overall ride but where is my 81k going? The price factored that car out for me. And everything else seemed boring so I threw out the last year model argument and cannot be happier.
I love my M3 and I know you'll love yours. I have no plans to replace the car for at least another couple years.

But if I were buying a performance coupe in this class today a C63 507 would be the one. And with everything turbocharged next generation, I definitely have both the W205 C AMG and B9 RS5 on the short list. M4 and M2 are certainly there too though.
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less than 10,000 e90 produced!!!

Wow, def why you don't see them everyday, and coupes seem to be a dime a dozen.


Screw you 2 door owners! lol
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What we lament is the loss of a true Motorsport engine, designed from the ground up for an M car. The S55 will hopefully have the power and stamina to be a race engine, but it likely won't be a special M engine. Even with all the fancy shmancies that BMW M will do to the S55, it will still be a hopped up N55. This will be the first M3 with a powertrain designed around fuel economy.

That doesn't change the truth about my statement. With every new iteration of M3 there was something to complain about. The introduction of the E9X was no different. Everybody lambasted the E9X in 2008; 6 years later it's all peace, love & hair grease including the obligatory statements about it being "the last true M car" (..just like with every other M3 before it).
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less than 10,000 e90 produced!!!

Wow, def why you don't see them everyday, and coupes seem to be a dime a dozen.


Screw you 2 door owners! lol
That depends on where you live. I see them everyday!
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      07-05-2013, 11:51 AM   #64
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      07-05-2013, 11:51 AM   #65
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It certainly is the end of an era for the m3 in how the power plant and delivery of power has been conceptualized from the beginning as this being a track able car with a linear power delivery up to the high-revvs. It delivers power in a way that is so instant, linear and enjoyable that its an entirely different experience.

The number of cylinders is a silly argument to make for people from the folks saying the I 6 was the last of the m3 cars. Its the WAY in which an engine makes power and delivers response. I6 or V8 can both do it and have done it very well.

The turbo puts an entirely different spin on power delivery, no more ITB instant response (and yes those that have driven both know there is a CLEAR delay in response from any of the modern n55/n54 or V8 TT cars. Compared to other big v8's they do stack up very well but not at all to the M cars with NA engines. THe response is night and day.

So I am a fan of new technology but I will miss the end of the high revving linear delivery of a race bred concept. I will be moving on to a gt3 for this type of car and enjoy the new m4 for a different purpose (how people enjoy their 335i's today).

But nonetheless end of an era for sure
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So long NA power delivery. Last of a dying breed.

Only time will tell how BMW handles going turbos with their bread and butter M-car.
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