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06-22-2011, 12:42 AM | #45 |
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As for your driving style thats easy to figure out. They just have to hook it up to computer and they'll be able to determine how hard he drove. I was visiting a friend who is a manager at the dealer and this guy came in complaining his tires only lasted 5k. I went and looked at the tires and the cords were showing. The guy was an IB guy from Goldman and was giving attitude. He swore he didnt drive the car hard. They hooked it up and found out he was beating the shit out of the car. DENIED!
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06-22-2011, 01:07 AM | #46 | |
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That's why owners of expensive cars NEVER do launches; wheel hop can cause serious damage. Not to mention the abuse the drivetrain (especially clutch, transmission, differential) and suspension take. Somebody found a post from the OP complaining of wheel hop, but most of us didn't need that 'proof' to know abuse was involved. The M3 is a good circuit car, but not a drag racer. Finally, for those who think an expert can't know what caused damage like the OP's to your car, think again. It's like thinking a forensic pathologist can miss a broken bone. They're going to know. Waranty covers DEFECTS, not abuse. I'd be MUCH more sympathetic with an honest owner than one trying to fool me ... even if I couldn't help him. Last edited by JCtx; 06-22-2011 at 01:20 AM.. |
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06-22-2011, 02:14 AM | #47 | |
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Now these corrections being stated, I too am still highly suspicious of the owners claimed driving style.
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06-22-2011, 06:45 AM | #48 | |
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But... If BMW makes a car that rev's to 8400rpm and has LC...then I don't see how they could refuse warranty to someone who used the capability. Even the manual cautions against overuse, but doesn't say it'll void your warranty. I think there's more to this. Something along the lines of what some others have said...they discovered a modification to the car.
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06-22-2011, 09:09 AM | #49 |
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Even a well-done launch is going to but alot more stress on the drivetrain than a simple 1-2 shift at redline. A bad launch with axle hop can break stuff really fast since that puts a ton more stress on the drivetrain than a normal launch. Think about the difference between using a normal breaker bar and an impact wrench.
Add in driving around with some broken or loose bolts and you can break alot of stuff fast.
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06-22-2011, 08:16 PM | #50 | |
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So if something were to go bad while you tracking the M, you're saying BMW will cover it? Rather than the owner doing launches? Why did they invent launch control if the car's components can't handle it? BULLSHIT. BMW should fix OP's car. |
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06-22-2011, 09:02 PM | #51 |
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This isn't the first time reading about the subframe issue on a car that had an aftermarket exhaust. Perhaps it isn't bad installation, but very particular bolts in respect to torque- or perhaps the bolts have issues if they are EVER removed. Sounds like I'll spend a couple more bucks and have exhaust installed for $200 at the dealer.
BTW, have you watched the M exhaust video? Full on burn outs. Redline shifts. The car can handle it, no problem. If you've messed with the subframe bolts and incorrectly torqued them and there is breakage, no one to blame but your installer.
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06-22-2011, 09:09 PM | #52 |
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Few clarifications, since some folks seem to take things literally here .
I said smart expensive car owners never do launches because that's the truth. That doesn't mean nobody does launches. And on the subject of launches, a launch by itself is not going to break anything, but axle hop certainly can. And you never know if it's going to happen. A catch 22. And just because car has launch control doesn't mean warranty will cover any abuse derived from the feature; simple common sense. Just like the car is track ready, but track use (which is abuse) is generally not covered by any warranty. Or your regular insurance, for that matter. It's like saying a gun manufacturer is responsible if you kill somebody because that's what guns are made for. Just like I said, anybody abusing his/her car should assume it won't be covered by any warranty. If they can get away with that, great. But don't assume it will, and be financially ready for the fallout. And that also goes with modifications, especially tunes, since they're irreversible. Again, if you want a car to beat on, an M3 is not a smart choice . |
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06-22-2011, 10:31 PM | #54 | |
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1.) If warranty can be voided for using launch control, it should specifically state that. Comparing LC to shooting someone with a gun is silly and absurd. It is not abuse unless the manufacturer STATES explicitly that it is abuse. Our manufacturer even goes to the length of explaining how to specifically use launch control. And no, I don't use launch control - I don't see the point. However, if someone has ABUSED launch control (eg. uses LC several times per day), then that could constitute vehicle abuse. 2.) Tracking your car ALONE does NOT void your warranty. Read the manual. Your warranty is voided if you enter any competitive or timed events or if the vehicle has been abused. BMW specifically bills this car as a track-worthy vehicle. Voiding warranty simply for stepping foot (or tire) on a race track is ridiculous, unless there has been blatant abuse (damaged suspension, over-revved the engine, toasted brake rotors, etc). |
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06-22-2011, 11:13 PM | #55 | |
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I'll also continue to say this is rubbish Not to boast too greatly but I am one (of hundreds) of obvious exceptions. In the absence of obvious sarcasm or hyperbole we can only take what is said at literal face value. Do you care to revise your statement (yet)? It is patently false.
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06-22-2011, 11:32 PM | #56 |
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I do not have my M yet so I cannot take a look underneath the car.
Please educate me on this. You have to remove subframe bolts to install an exhaust on the M?? How is this so?
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I would not let them get away with putting that back on you unless of course you were out catching 2 feet of air with the car off jumps. -X.
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06-23-2011, 12:14 AM | #58 | |
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If a dealership summarily denies warranty service, even after a visit "from BMW," they still face the threat of litigation. At some point they will have to say "OK, we can swallow the $9K and dispose of this, or we could give the lawyers $X and dispose of this." The odds are in your favor that they will go with the former. That's why if you write a legal minded and firm letter to them as I posted previously in this thread, you can move things forward more assertively and in most cases, have them accommodate your request. If that doesn't work, you actually sue them and include that letter in evidence. NOW, if you're not telling the truth, as some have suggested, AND you have modified your car in some material way, then they can probably deny coverage and will litigate that case against you IMO.
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06-23-2011, 12:28 AM | #60 | |
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No it's not. The error to read things literally is you don't know what people meant . This is not a math class. By the way, I don't consider the M3 an 'expensive' car, so hopefully you'll get my point now . Signing off this thread. |
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I have purchased a few cars from Center, and know that dealership very well. I will find out about this.
By no means should a clutch drop be covered under warranty. Especially if it's past 4k - there is simply no need for that. I have a feeling there is more to this, but I could be wrong.
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No one can interpret your subtle, delicate, shaded undertones of literary beauty... Come on get with the program. What you wrote is still patently false and now you are both back pedaling and refusing to discuss it. I'm not trying to be difficult, nor attack you, it is just what you wrote is so blatantly false. Heck, I also agree with your overall opinion that one should not abuse expensive hardware. Nonetheless your statements veracity is also independent of whether or not you consider an M3 to be an expensive car. Any reasonable reader would assume your initial comment was refering to an M3. Furthermore even if you weren't, smart owners of Ferrari's and Lamborghini's also launch their cars, some of them do it often. Do you need a bloody youtube video of someone showing their Doctorate diploma and launching a Veyron to see your mistake?
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06-23-2011, 08:22 AM | #64 |
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There's enough electronics in this car...if BMW wanted to limit or prohibit something...they could.
They advertise a high reving engine...and they included launch control. If use of either voids the warranty, then they should expressly stated that. Launch control has nothing more than a casual statement saying something to the effect that overuse "could" lead to premature part wear. I'm standing by some other modification was done to this vehicle. Otherwise, I think the OP has a good court case.
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06-23-2011, 09:07 AM | #66 | |
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Anyway, subframes shouldn't break. Not even with launches. It's RWD. Furthermore it's an M. Dunno where you guys are hearing that OP did clutch dumps but lets say he just used launch control. Would that be OK? Doesn't say that it should void warranty (only that it should be avoided to use it often). Personally.. I wouldn't launch my vehicle. I wouldn't even use launch control. For me it's never saved me any time at autox or anything. Makes more sense to be gentle/smooth. Just my 2c anyway.. I think OP has a case here. Dealership does not want to pay $9K. That is all.
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