Our Shop car's two new friends... E90/E92 M3 twin turbo kit

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Originally Posted by Team Plutonium

Any chance to get a little more info, and ballpark numbers regarding power and cost? I think everybody is itching to know a little more.

+1 ballpark figures please

[Alex07M3]

Originally Posted by Team Plutonium

If it is too soon they should not have started a thread within the technical section. I think an announcement of this magnitude deserves a little more than 3 iPhone photos and a couple of rumors.

+++++++++1
If they have the kit on a car for 6months, they should have at least a couple basic infos that they could share!!!! I hate to be tease like that, this is more of a publicity stunt then anything! I'm really exited to see the kit but I could have waited until they really want to share some real info before starting a thread!

[playground]

This is going to be crazy.

[positiveions]

Originally Posted by Sales@Gintani.com

Hey everyone,

Here is a cool little pic you guys might enjoy...

Manifold

[Thurman Murch]

You gotta pray to play jk

I hope they are smaller turbos that spool fast... I like the stock airflow set up. These two factors will make for a wild ride and keep the cost down.

Will the manifold and header section be inconel or aluminum?

And if you do get a used e92 make sure you get a lci... The S65 in those feel more alive

[mlambert890]

Originally Posted by Thurman Murch

You gotta pray to play jk

I hope they are smaller turbos that spool fast... I like the stock airflow set up. These two factors will make for a wild ride and keep the cost down.

Will the manifold and header section be inconel or aluminum?

And if you do get a used e92 make sure you get a lci... The S65 in those feel more alive

If thats even really true its just a tune a way. There was no actual physical mid-life change. All of it is anecdotal, "seat of the pants" or "mags got better times"

Unless the tail-light LEDs provide some sort of massive energy burst propelling the car forward, its all ECU updates and placebo (the latter being the bigger influence IMO)

On topic, really curious to see what this kit looks like. My main concern with any of the FI applications is traction really. Seems like hooking up would be unpleasant given the narrow rubber and RWD. I like the idea of a lot more power, but I really dislike the idea of having an even *harder* time using it for street starts.

Cant wait for dyno results and final package details to see if there is a big boost in low RPM tq.

[VCMpower]

Familiar comments as to when Evolve first made announcements about their SC kit. Bring on the turbos at whatever cost. This will be for real.

[Thurman Murch]

Originally Posted by mlambert890

If thats even really true its just a tune a way. There was no actual physical mid-life change. All of it is anecdotal, "seat of the pants" or "mags got better times"

Unless the tail-light LEDs provide some sort of massive energy burst propelling the car forward, its all ECU updates and placebo (the latter being the bigger influence IMO)

On topic, really curious to see what this kit looks like. My main concern with any of the FI applications is traction really. Seems like hooking up would be unpleasant given the narrow rubber and RWD. I like the idea of a lot more power, but I really dislike the idea of having an even *harder* time using it for street starts.

Cant wait for dyno results and final package details to see if there is a big boost in low RPM tq.

I had a 2010 now a 2012 and it feels faster and more urgent may be because I went turbo for a while (335is, M5)... I thought I heard BMW did some tricks for the lci because of the zcp

Where is swamp2 to calculate the theoretical hp/tq curve for 7.5 psi?

I'm stoked as well... Gonna start hearing M3 venting to atmosphere wonder all the music that will come from it

[Alen E90]

this is gonna be sick!

[icantdrive]

Shoot, I may be driving down to LA to get this when it's released... Any idea on price range?

[knolow]

Originally Posted by Team Plutonium

Any chance to get a little more info, and ballpark numbers regarding power and cost? I think everybody is itching to know a little more.

2nd and.......

Originally Posted by Team Plutonium

If it is too soon they should not have started a thread within the technical section. I think an announcement of this magnitude deserves a little more than 3 iPhone photos and a couple of rumors.

2nd again.

[bandido]

I cannot wait to hear more, but the cost issue is very real. Most, if not all, tuners price themselves into a difficult situation on the M3. Yes it a great car, but make it expensive, sell a few kits, make it affordable and sell hundreds.

Spending $10-20k for some may be easy, but 95+% of M3 owners will never mod there cars at all because of no affordable solutions. It is why so many 335's and audi's and Subarus, etc are tuned. On the new S5/S4 you get almost 80hp for ~$1200, on the V10 R8, a much more expensive car, you get 59hp for only ~$1500. Those numbers and prices are from just from one tuner of many.

Sorry for the long rant, just want something my wife will let me buy!!

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Originally Posted by bandido

I cannot wait to hear more, but the cost issue is very real. Most, if not all, tuners price themselves into a difficult situation on the M3. Yes it a great car, but make it expensive, sell a few kits, make it affordable and sell hundreds.

Spending $10-20k for some may be easy, but 95+% of M3 owners will never mod there cars at all because of no affordable solutions. It is why so many 335's and audi's and Subarus, etc are tuned. On the new S5/S4 you get almost 80hp for ~$1200, on the V10 R8, a much more expensive car, you get 59hp for only ~$1500. Those numbers and prices are from just from one tuner of many.

Sorry for the long rant, just want something my wife will let me buy!!

Hopefully gintani can throw us a ballpark soon.. Im starting to get my m3 ready to sell.. I need to plan financially so i can buy a e92 m3 and the turbo kit all at once

[Sales@Gintani.com]

Hopefully gintani can throw us a ballpark soon.. Im starting to get my m3 ready to sell.. I need to plan financially so i can buy a e92 m3 and the turbo kit all at once[/QUOTE]



We could help you with that whole process.

[swamp2]

Originally Posted by Thurman Murch

Where is swamp2 to calculate the theoretical hp/tq curve for 7.5 psi?

Thanks for the flattery, however I far from an expert in FI. The amount of power here will depend on how cool the input can be. That is too big of a variable. Power could be anywhere from 550-800 hp. Now given that it is a new design and does need to balance price vs. power I would simply guess about 600 hp. That is really coarse though. Others will probably have better guesses.

[monkawekrue]

amazing

[whats77inaname]

Originally Posted by swamp2

Thanks for the flattery, however I far from an expert in FI. The amount of power here will depend on how cool the input can be. That is too big of a variable. Power could be anywhere from 550-800 hp. Now given that it is a new design and does need to balance price vs. power I would simply guess about 600 hp. That is really coarse though. Others will probably have better guesses.

Based on the following, I'm hoping for more *lol*

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showpos...0&postcount=54

Originally Posted by Sales@Gintani.com

What we can say is that the kit makes great amounts of torque and power compared to the centrifugal setup. Thank you for your patience.

[swamp2]

Originally Posted by whats77inaname

Based on the following, I'm hoping for more *lol*

http://www.m3post.com/forums/showpos...0&postcount=54

A couple of problems with that language.

1. SC kits vary widey in output from 530-800 or so. Well maybe the 800 is not quite a "kit" but you get my point.
2. This kit almost for sure won't produce "great amounts" of power compared to the upper range mentioned above.

Cheers.

[whats77inaname]

Originally Posted by swamp2

A couple of problems with that language.

1. SC kits vary widey in output from 530-800 or so. Well maybe the 800 is not quite a "kit" but you get my point.
2. This kit almost for sure won't produce "great amounts" of power compared to the upper range mentioned above.

Cheers.

1) 800hp kits require an engine build, which they haven't indicated this will require (at least as of yet). Given that, I'll exclude those kits from contention.
2) Running 7.5lbs? When speaking in terms of hp, probably not. When talking about TQ, however......Considering what we know at this point, I can say with a relative amount of certainty, 7.5lbs is just the beginning

One thing I'm curious about, however: what size exhaust this will require. Turbos tend to like bigger diameter exhausts, and pretty much everything out now is 2.5".

[Endless619]

As much as we wanted to see this 4 years ago, why bring it out now? The new turbo M3/M4 platform will be out in 12 months. Owners will be working on that new platform and mods for it as soon or before its released.

I honestly do not think you can charge premium on this kit unless its 2009, which it isn't. Its the last month of production of the E9X platform. Companies are already focusing on cosmetic modifications for the new F series platform and some have already completed them.

Anyway just playing both sides of the fence here. I would love to see this kit in action but it seems a little to late IMO.

The E9X M3 is about to become the E46 M3... Meaning all prices slashed in half for modifications and cars.

[SilentAttack]

Originally Posted by Endless619

As much as we wanted to see this 4 years ago, why bring it out now? The new turbo M3/M4 platform will be out in 12 months. Owners will be working on that new platform and mods for it as soon or before its released.

I honestly do not think you can charge premium on this kit unless its 2009, which it isn't. Its the last month of production of the E9X platform. Companies are already focusing on cosmetic modifications for the new F series platform and some have already completed them.

Anyway just playing both sides of the fence here. I would love to see this kit in action but it seems a little to late IMO.

The E9X M3 is about to become the E46 M3... Meaning all prices slashed in half for modifications and cars.

I agree!! But ill be keeping my E90 so.... bring em on

[Bluesummer]

Originally Posted by Endless619

As much as we wanted to see this 4 years ago, why bring it out now? The new turbo M3/M4 platform will be out in 12 months. Owners will be working on that new platform and mods for it as soon or before its released.

I honestly do not think you can charge premium on this kit unless its 2009, which it isn't. Its the last month of production of the E9X platform. Companies are already focusing on cosmetic modifications for the new F series platform and some have already completed them.

Anyway just playing both sides of the fence here. I would love to see this kit in action but it seems a little to late IMO.

The E9X M3 is about to become the E46 M3... Meaning all prices slashed in half for modifications and cars.

better late than never

the money invested in the r&d didnt fall from the sky, they came out of the exhaust pipes of supercharge S65's