Went from BPM tune to Gintani tune

[818m3e92]

Originally Posted by SFCM3

I recently was in the market for a stage2 tune, so I reached out to Mike Benvo (BPM). I specifically asked him about burble tunes after hearing and seeing a Gintani tuned e92m3 in person. After discussing the method in which burble tunes are achieved, and Mike telling me that he CAN do the burble tune, but highly recommends AGAINST using said tune, I decided to go with BPM stage 2 WITHOUT burble. I plan to keep my e90m3 for a long time, and the novelty of the burble is not worth the potential long term damage to me.

Gintani is the only company to offer burble OPTION for s65b40, its not a burble tune, its a burble option, you can have the gintani tune without the burble FYI, I've had the gintani tune on my m3 for over 53k miles now, never had one problem and my previous e92 for 15k miles, i drive the car hard and it drives great, maintenance is all I've done personally. Also, in regards to burble option or burble in general not being safe, or somebody advising against it, i would ask them if they would advise lamborghini to not have the huracan burble, or audi to not have the RS7 burble or even BMW to not have the m4 GTS burble all out the showroom? Seems more like people are salty that one company is doing something different and fun, and others dislike it and try to throw dirt, while you see all the new sports cars burbling stock. just my 2 cents

[818m3e92]

Originally Posted by yidgyi

I have BPM's stage 2 and BPM's burble tune. When I miss the pops I usually upload the burble tune but I dislike the drive-ability of it and quickly switch back to the stage 2 tune. The car lurches and runs hot with the burble tune.

Because its NOT a real burble tune, thats why my car has the Gintani tune with burble option for over 53k miles and never had any issues or running hot or limp mode or any issues, car always wins and runs smooth. Thats just me

[818m3e92]

Originally Posted by roastbeef

aah, thank you. heat.

so is my theory of crap accumulating on the exhaust valves faster completely wrong? or is that feasible?

s65b40 runs rich naturally, but i doubt anyone wanting the burble option is worried about black gunk on the tips of the muffler.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by 818m3e92

LOL, you can throw a bearing without any mods as well haha, its a problem with the e92 especially prior to 2011 the bearings had lead in them. Ive had my gintani tune with burble option for over 53k miles, nothing blew lol, haven't had any issues at all except doing regular maintenance, and i push my car a lot, in case you were curious of people out there who've had it for long periods of time and mileage. Any tune can cause you to throw a bearing if they get worn down enough naturally, its a issue you cannot avoid and cannot blame on a tune lol. Also, if burbles are so bad, why did BMW have the m4 GTS burble stock? Why does the RS7 and Huracan both N/A burble stock? I doubt something is bad if the best cars being produced are now coming with the option standard.

It *seems* like they burble stock .But they actually fart my friend by the *Turbos*
In other words let us say it's a burble fart .

[Maxf80M3]

Originally Posted by zunzung

I had BPM Stage II tune for about a year and got the Gintani tune today.

All I can say is my car is now a fire breathing dragon and I fell in love with my car all over again. Although BPM was good Gintani turned the car into a complete monster, I'm extremely satisfied with their tune.

If you are not sure on which tune to get, I'd say give Gintani a try and you wont regret it

This is not possible on n/a cars

I have tuned or have had tuned almost everyone of my cars. Margins are so low with naturally aspirated . With forced induction there are more variables to play with. I can?t see this making any sense . If so, let?s see dyno runs back to back . Granted you have both s/w files. These butt dyno posts are truly a waste of reading time .

[Mvy]

Dyno results aside, I've had three tunes for my car. When I had a burble tune from a local shop, I always had fuel in my blackstone sample. Fuel in the sample reduces viscosity of the oil, impacting its lubricating effectiveness. Outside oil pollution, O2 sensors are one of the first things that get impacted as others have said with this kind of tune. Mine went bad a couple years after loading the tune. Coincidence? I doubt it.

Frankly, I can do without the burble and random backfires in second gear. I have never had a Gintani tune so I cant comment on that but after I got the BPM tune, which for me now is the only option with my Harrop SC, I have no fuel in my samples and no issues.

[Bartledoo]

Originally Posted by 818m3e92

Gintani is the only company to offer burble OPTION for s65b40, its not a burble tune, its a burble option, you can have the gintani tune without the burble FYI, I've had the gintani tune on my m3 for over 53k miles now, never had one problem and my previous e92 for 15k miles, i drive the car hard and it drives great, maintenance is all I've done personally. Also, in regards to burble option or burble in general not being safe, or somebody advising against it, i would ask them if they would advise lamborghini to not have the huracan burble, or audi to not have the RS7 burble or even BMW to not have the m4 GTS burble all out the showroom? Seems more like people are salty that one company is doing something different and fun, and others dislike it and try to throw dirt, while you see all the new sports cars burbling stock. just my 2 cents

If you read BPM's earlier post, there are valid reasons why it's different adding "burble" to a car that did not have it integrated in the ECU's programming from the factory. But I'm sure you'll have posted 30 more times when this reply posts so you'll likely miss it too.

[deansbimmer]

Originally Posted by 818m3e92

s65b40 runs rich naturally, but i doubt anyone wanting the burble option is worried about black gunk on the tips of the muffler.

The S65 doesn’t “run rich naturally”. No properly tuned engine fuel injected does.

Nobody wanting a burble tune would be the type to worry about anything practical much less extra soot in the muffler tips.

[6ixSpd]

Burble Burble Burble.

[Maxf80M3]

Originally Posted by 6ixSpd

Burble Burble Burble.

I gave my car a ?burble? bath today

[hungryhippo]

Originally Posted by deansbimmer

Nobody wanting a burble tune would be the type to worry about anything practical much less extra soot in the muffler tips.

Agreed

[tdott]

Originally Posted by 818m3e92

Safe tune? According to other people ALL ECU tunes are the same and gain same power, but incase you're curious I've had my car with a gintani tune with burble option for over 53k miles now in 3 years, NO PROBLEMS at all, YES i push my car very hard, redline is raised so i can REALLY push it, car runs great, maintenance is all I've done really, motor mounts once. I don't think a burble option is really that bad if cars like RS7, huracan, and M4GTS come burbling out the showroom.

Read below, you may learn something...

Originally Posted by Mike Benvo

3) The "burble" on this particular ECU, with port injection, is an afterthought, and the ECU was never specifically designed with functions to know about and specifically control the burble - so it will NEVER be as good or as safe as a vehicle that was specifically designed and intended for it - as an example, the M2/M3/M4, the Jaguar Ftype, and a number of Mini's with direct injection.

4) Building on point 3 - the Bosch ECU's on cars that actually do it from the factory, have functions specifically implemented and configurable in the code for 100% safe execution and control of the burble. For example, on the F series ECU's, you can do all of the following:
a) Turn the system on or off, and the strategy for the burble
b) Control which modes in which the system operates in (Normal Mode, sport mode, etc..)
c) Set maximum and maximum limits of temperature to protect the catalytic converters and oxygen sensors
d) Set the gears in which the burble occurs or doesn’t occur
e) Set the length of the burble in each mode and essentially the strength of it
f) Set the engine speed and road speed ranges upon which the burbles occurs
g) a few other things as well -

These are just examples of what's controllable in an ECU DESIGNED for these functions. Now I had mentioned the M2, M3, M4 - and it just so happens that the control units in almost all other BMW's from 2013 until now (F Series), use basically the same or similar type of control unit - so these type of functions can be safely ported over. Yes - that means your BMW 320i 4 cylinder has this capability in full but is just not activated, and can be safely activated due to the controls and safety constraints/restrictions, some of which I touched on in the list above.

With direct injection, the DME can control precise injection of fuel at any time - not just on certain strokes - ultimately giving even more precise control of this function. The MSS60 is a very sophisticated control unit but does not have all of these controls - mainly due to the design and intention for a port injection platform.

So - just to summarize - I am NOT a fan of the "burble" on an ECU that wasn't specifically intended to do it, for all of the reasons I listed and explained above.

[deansbimmer]

Originally Posted by 818m3e92

Also, in regards to burble option or burble in general not being safe, or somebody advising against it, i would ask them if they would advise lamborghini to not have the huracan burble, or audi to not have the RS7 burble or even BMW to not have the m4 GTS burble all out the showroom? Seems more like people are salty that one company is doing something different and fun, and others dislike it and try to throw dirt, while you see all the new sports cars burbling stock. just my 2 cents

Every engine in your "example" has direct injection so no, it's not the same and that's not an apples to apples comparison to the S65 which is port injected. You can read up on the functionality of the matter. Benvo already touched on it in this thread.

[818m3e92]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

It *seems* like they burble stock .But they actually fart my friend by the *Turbos*
In other words let us say it's a burble fart .

But the Huracan is N/A, so what fart is it again?

[818m3e92]

Originally Posted by deansbimmer

The S65 doesn’t “run rich naturally”. No properly tuned engine fuel injected does.

Nobody wanting a burble tune would be the type to worry about anything practical much less extra soot in the muffler tips.

Yes it does what are you talking about, it even says it in the manual, also thats the point i made.

[818m3e92]

Originally Posted by ksteckba

If you read BPM's earlier post, there are valid reasons why it's different adding "burble" to a car that did not have it integrated in the ECU's programming from the factory. But I'm sure you'll have posted 30 more times when this reply posts so you'll likely miss it too.

No i won't miss anything, but hey what do i know, i hope Gintani themselves will comment and clear all this BS misinformation up, seems like a lot of haters talking a lot about things they don't really know, BPM also had a post couple months back which got deleted after their misinformation was posted and then corrected, you can find it on google, maybe ill post a screen shot. Hopefully YOU don't miss Gintanis reply

[BPMSport]

Originally Posted by 818m3e92

Yes it does what are you talking about, it even says it in the manual, also thats the point i made.

I would like to see the owners manual you have...

It does not run rich - that is such an illogical statement to make. I consider overly rich to be under 12:1 on an NA car under full throttle - which is not what this car runs.

[818m3e92]

Originally Posted by tdott

Read below, you may learn something...

LOL, i really hope Gintani replies, then YOU might learn something.

[818m3e92]

Originally Posted by deansbimmer

Every engine in your "example" has direct injection so no, it's not the same and that's not an apples to apples comparison to the S65 which is port injected. You can read up on the functionality of the matter. Benvo already touched on it in this thread.

Maybe Gintani will comment and can defend what they do, as i know nothing and feel its wrong to speak on things i know nothing about. Just seems like a lot of hate and misinformation posted, i sure hope the source will comment with the details and correct us all : )

[BPMSport]

Originally Posted by 818m3e92

Maybe Gintani will comment and can defend what they do, as i know nothing and feel its wrong to speak on things i know nothing about. Just seems like a lot of hate and misinformation posted, i sure hope the source will comment with the details and correct us all : )

The only misinformation that has been perpetuated is your own.

[818m3e92]

Originally Posted by Mike Benvo

I would like to see the owners manual you have... might be the one for your lawnmower.

It does not run rich - that is such an illogical statement to make. I consider overly rich to be under 12:1 on an NA car under full throttle - which is not what this car runs.

Well in the manual it doesn't say running rich specifically, but does mention upon start up if the car is in a garage or closed area it should be moved immediately as it releases a lot of gas upon start up, especially if theres no cats i can imagine its even worse, maybe my wording isn't correct, but what do i know, I'm just a random nobody? I didn't make a illogical statement and then have the thread deleted, because i don't attack another companies product negatively writing essays making claims without them defending themselves, well i wouldn't, thats not classy, sounds like you're mad OP is happier with Gintani's tune and the burble option which you yourself cannot safely provide, so you bash them.

[BPMSport]

I never attacked anyones product, if you were able to comprehend what I posted, you would understand that.