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08-07-2008, 09:48 AM | #45 | |
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I said the same thing about the GTR vs Z06. :iono: (Not that the Camaro is going to be that drastic, but they're able to make relatively heavy cars do some amazing things these days.) |
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08-07-2008, 12:13 PM | #46 |
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I don't expect the Camaro to handle as well as a 135, you can't rewrite the laws of physics. It definitely won't handle close to my RX8 but it should handle well (and I won't get out run from stoplights by V6 Camrys). The IRS used on the Camaro uses some tech from either the Z06 or maybe the CTS-V. Something about unequal shafts that remove wheel hop. Don't rememember where I read it (may have been on Chevy's press release).
Can't wait to be able to test drive everything, going to be so much fun. |
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08-07-2008, 01:05 PM | #47 |
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IRS was borrowed from several Holden vehicles, iirc. The Zeta platform is used by the Commodore and I think one or two other Holden models. Pretty much all the Camaro design work was done down in Oz by a team consisting of Chevy and Holden folks.
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08-07-2008, 01:26 PM | #48 | |
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With that being said, the C6 is still the best performance per buck anywhere. Anybody that says otherwise needs to clean their loop.
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08-07-2008, 01:41 PM | #49 | |
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And as I said earlier, you're already $10k in the hole on the M3 when compared to the Vette, and now you're talking about a $3k ECU flash. Do you have any idea what you can do to a Vette with $3k? For that kind of money you can have a tune, headers, and a reasonable exhaust. You're going to be around 465Hp at that point. |
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08-07-2008, 04:26 PM | #50 | |
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Your my new buddy Jeremy. :smile: The E46 M3 and C5 numbers werent a stretch either. I guess it must've been the tires!
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08-10-2008, 08:57 AM | #51 |
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My local dodge dealer had the balls to add a $10k market adjustment to the new challenger sitting on their showroom floor. The car looks good but not $53k good!
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my dealer has the srt8 Challenger listed at 41k which is msrp...
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Oh, the one I'm talking about is a SRT-8. $41k isn't bad for what you get.
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08-11-2008, 12:21 PM | #55 |
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I saw a black Challenger last weekend at a detail shop, they said the guy paid $70k for it. Then I was at a Dodge/Jeep dealership on Monday and saw an orange one with a $20k dealer markup.
Yeah, no thanks. I feel bad enough paying MSRP. :P |
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08-12-2008, 04:37 PM | #56 |
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The new 2010 Camaro SS is a NEW Zeta II platform much better then the GTO. I am sure it won't be as nimble as a 3400# 135i but it will handle great and make a BEAUTIFUL sound.
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I don't think a Zeta II platform exists yet. The Zeta platform itself is fairly new, and was not used by the GTO.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Zeta_platform |
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They moved the front wheels back 3 inches, altering the wheelbase drastically, and changed the engine placement. There were some other things as well. I'll have to see if I can find a link to the article. |
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Sorry to sink your boat, Camaro SS will have a much improved Zeta II platform. IT WILL handle like a BMW, maybe better. NO lag, NO fuel pump problems, etc. etc. etc. |
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08-13-2008, 07:37 PM | #60 | |
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Please just give it a rest until someone has tested the car. You sound like a leghumper and it's sickening. |
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HAHA......Yeah right!!! Lexus, Infiniti, Merc, all try to copy BMW's signature driving dynamics and fail. You expect the Camaro to succeed? I dont think so. Its going to be a great car for what it is but your getting waaay ahead of ourselves here. There is currently 2 Chevy's that handle extremely well. 1. C6 2. C6 ZO6 Why are we even comparing a premium car to a muscle car anyway?
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I'll give you credit for one thing.. it takes some serious balls to make a statement like that about a Camaro!
I owned a 1989 camaro for awhile back in the day.:biggrin:
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Don't feel bad Steve, I agree with you.
I think the new Camaro SS is going to be awesome. I am really upset with BMW bringing out the 135i and STILL having fuel pump problems. And the LAG in the new programing makes me sick. Good luck with your 135i's LATER DUDES. |
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Good luck. I was here for a while and after hearing, reading and researching SO MANY people with fuel pump problems among many other problems on 3 diff BMW forums, I decided I will never get a BMW. Really pisses me off, the 135i was going to be my next car. |
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08-25-2008, 07:30 AM | #66 |
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The V6 Camaro weighs in at 3740lb haha...Where are those guys that think the V8 will out handle a Bimmer?
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