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03-22-2011, 09:31 PM | #45 |
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interesting. i guess we will just have to wait and see
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03-22-2011, 09:32 PM | #46 |
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It would be a M3 - Scott posted this in M3 post.
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03-22-2011, 09:34 PM | #47 |
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This will be interesting to see what it actually pans out being...
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Carbon fiber body parts and components are the future of M, just don't let VWag buy your plants out from under you
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He is saying that majority of people don't give a shit about weight, balance, handling, NA engine, high revving engine, etc.... They just want a nice, good looking, status symbol, comfy bimmers. And we loose, because we're out numbered 100:1... Rightfully, BMW wants to make money. It would be nice of BMW to give them what they want, and give us what we want at the same time. But BMW is counting beans now... So they will only built and sell the stuff that sells a lot while trying to do minimal R&D.
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There's irony when a manufacturer seeking to create brand loyalty among clients then itself turns its back on many of those very clients by opting for a direction that's clearly geared to higher volume sales at the expense of perpetuating a reputation for building cars that its most ardent clients want to drive. With every new story, leaked teaser tidbit, I'm finding it harder and harder to have good vibes for BMW. The future doesn't make the heart skip a beat in anticipation and the joy just isn't what it used to be.
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An M3 has no business being 500 pounds heavier. The Vette didn't need 14 gears either. 0-60 in 1st AND it cruised on the freeway under 2k RPMs obtaining 24mpg. BMW should get back to basics. 3700 pounds is just ridiculous. Simpler and lighter would be ok with me. They definitely need to focus on making things lighter - no doubt about it. |
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I'm sticking with my M3 hybrid idea...
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03-23-2011, 01:03 AM | #54 | |
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Where the hell are my kids going to sit in an Vette? Or my friends for a short trip to to eat? How about 2 golf bags and a couple small weekend bags?
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Ford is almost caught up. Lexus is almost caught up. Nissan has a flagship car BMW can't compete because as the marketing puts it, we are too good for that. (Right, you can only say that after you demonstrated you can decimate the opponent.) Funny how Nissan marketing don't even consider BMW as a competitor, they went straight for Porsche. Quote:
BMW should get out of car manufacturing all together. Sell the plants, lay off the workers to reduce fixed cost and variable cost. Instead get into industry with higher ROI, like software. Maybe it can use the BMW name to start a company like Groupon with explosive growth that makes starbucks looks like a tortise. Hell if they liquidated and long commodities last year they would probably be more profitable. Why don't they do that? Because their core competency is building cars. If they lose that demise will shortly follow.
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First of all, Danke Scott, deine Beiträge bereichern dieses Forum immens. (sorry for the German)
Sounds great. Always have been a fan of CF use, especially visible CF. Scott, I know this is a somewhat strange question and only partly related, but: I have been to the Musem about 5 times spending most of the time standing in front of the CSL in the M room. Do you know why there´s a black one? I mean it´s definitely a gorgeous car, but the silver one would should of that CF roof even better and would underpin BMWs approach to that car. |
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This - "bullshit" + "others do CF" + "just get lighter" + "BMW doesn't care" + etc. - is all so entertaining and ... fantastical.
>> The BMW goal: leading edge technology, leading edge handling, leading edge safety, owner-friendliness, speed, affordability. >> The discontents' goal in this thread: make it like ... (insert "Lotus" , "Porsche" ,"Audi" , whatever). That is, make it faster, lighter, cheaper, and way ahead of competition. Someone post three concrete, currently-available solutions to meet BOTH goals now, in a real-world implementation that BMW or any manufacturer could have done. |
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bigger doesnt always mean heavier...its all about what is underneath. yes i agree, it should be lighter....but its just not that easy. compare it to its peers (audi S4, C63, CTS-V even....and all of the suddent its a lightweight) and the motor in the vette is probably LIGHTER than the one in the M3 actually...no heavy DOCH or vanos or any of that....its a simple motor in a simple car....the E92 chasis is designed to do more that just go fast.
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I would love to see a bill of materials for an M3 with the weights of each component... who here really knows where the weight in an M3 is? |
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