Macht Schnell releases their Stage 2 Intake Charge Kit!

[phrogbubbaE92]

I personally have the kit and am not impressed. in the HP department, I can feel a little difference in the 5-7k rpm range (i think a little mental HP is involved) and wish i would have done a baseline dyno before i installed and then after.

However, the most upsetting part of this is the fitment and the overall build quality. I have had the filter pop off many times and had to use duct tape to keep it secured (ill explain why I didnt just send it back). The filter will not secure with the clamp and the plastic warps once there is any pressure to keep the filter on. Also, the tube attachment on the side of the charge tube (I believe it is for the egr) broke off, and being that i was in a serious bind and HAD to use that intake (i threw away my old filter, and had no other vehicle, and had to be somewhere), I had to use epoxy to put it back on. Originally, it appears as if it was glued on from the factory and not a single unit, like most other intakes. After that, I knew i could not send it back and just dealt with the duct tape and epoxy. If i had to do it all again, I would have just purchased the drop in filter.

This was not meant to insult MS or their associates, this was my experience and if anyone has this intake, I would check their filters to make sure that they did not come off as well.. Thanks, and I hope that this helps.. I am considering just purchasing the drop in and doing a dyno. If i have the time, and patience, I will post up results. Thank you!

JP

[aka_phox]

still no dyno results???

[Q8_TwinTurbo]

For the guys that think this intake is not making much more than a drop in filter. The Intake scoops that some sponsers and aftermarket companies offer. Give a Ram-Air effect. They come into plhen the vehicle is doing 60+mph. There would be a huge difference if you can have a dyno facillity with powerful fans that can send air equivelant to the air flowing into the scoops. Just my 2c. Kindly, correct me if i am wrong.

[M3DCTBT]

SAME PROBLEM HERE.

I do have problems with my kits not sealing and letting in unfiltered air:

Exhibit A:



Exhibit B:



There is a gap where you can't create a seal. The full system by itself HUGE and barely fits when you put it on, so you must be careful, the airbox pin is a pain but do-able. I need some assistance with a new elbow as mine appears to be warped and sucking in unfiltered air to the motor.

Performance: I'm usually really sensitive to this, I can't really tell the difference. I was easily impressed by gains with: cat delete, pulleys, tune. I never noticed rear muffler or the MS Stage 2. Slightly better on/off throttle response. I'm not sold on it yet for $499, until I get some time on the dyno. My car gets 402-403whp regularly on a fat AFR tune, with the previous setup.

Sound: Sound is minimal. I had RPi Scoops/MS filter prior. Hard to notice anything. The rattle is gone, a slightly deeper hum and growl is there on WOT. After 1 day I was used to it and couldnt hear it anymore. The noise really blend in with the exhaust.

Tom/MS please help us out. I feel like this is like my AiB V1 fiasco all over again with beta parts.

Originally Posted by phrogbubbaE92

I personally have the kit and am not impressed. in the HP department, I can feel a little difference in the 5-7k rpm range (i think a little mental HP is involved) and wish i would have done a baseline dyno before i installed and then after.

However, the most upsetting part of this is the fitment and the overall build quality. I have had the filter pop off many times and had to use duct tape to keep it secured (ill explain why I didnt just send it back). The filter will not secure with the clamp and the plastic warps once there is any pressure to keep the filter on. Also, the tube attachment on the side of the charge tube (I believe it is for the egr) broke off, and being that i was in a serious bind and HAD to use that intake (i threw away my old filter, and had no other vehicle, and had to be somewhere), I had to use epoxy to put it back on. Originally, it appears as if it was glued on from the factory and not a single unit, like most other intakes. After that, I knew i could not send it back and just dealt with the duct tape and epoxy. If i had to do it all again, I would have just purchased the drop in filter.

This was not meant to insult MS or their associates, this was my experience and if anyone has this intake, I would check their filters to make sure that they did not come off as well.. Thanks, and I hope that this helps.. I am considering just purchasing the drop in and doing a dyno. If i have the time, and patience, I will post up results. Thank you!

JP

[Templar]

Drop in filter and you're done.

[M3DCTBT]

Update: MS is sending me a new filter housing and responded quickly.

They think I tightened it too hard and collapsed the housing. I was told to simply tighten the filter clamp snug, enough to stick to the housing.

I did not over tighten it before, but just to let others know - be gentle with it!

[Entrepreneurs In Cars]

Originally Posted by M3DCTBT

SAME PROBLEM HERE.

I do have problems with my kits not sealing and letting in unfiltered air:

Exhibit A:



Exhibit B:



There is a gap where you can't create a seal. The full system by itself HUGE and barely fits when you put it on, so you must be careful, the airbox pin is a pain but do-able. I need some assistance with a new elbow as mine appears to be warped and sucking in unfiltered air to the motor.

Performance: I'm usually really sensitive to this, I can't really tell the difference. I was easily impressed by gains with: cat delete, pulleys, tune. I never noticed rear muffler or the MS Stage 2. Slightly better on/off throttle response. I'm not sold on it yet for $499, until I get some time on the dyno. My car gets 402-403whp regularly on a fat AFR tune, with the previous setup.

Sound: Sound is minimal. I had RPi Scoops/MS filter prior. Hard to notice anything. The rattle is gone, a slightly deeper hum and growl is there on WOT. After 1 day I was used to it and couldnt hear it anymore. The noise really blend in with the exhaust.

Tom/MS please help us out. I feel like this is like my AiB V1 fiasco all over again with beta parts.

I had the exact same problem, i swapped it out for a MS drop in filter. I have to say EAS was really good to me, was impressed with their service on this issue.

[Singletrack]

Originally Posted by M3DCTBT

Update: MS is sending me a new filter housing and responded quickly.

They think I tightened it too hard and collapsed the housing. I was told to simply tighten the filter clamp snug, enough to stick to the housing.

I did not over tighten it before, but just to let others know - be gentle with it!

Sucks it collapsed. Over-tightening intake parts is something I'm always cautious with - known to cause problems on my last few cars. Although, sort-of sucks that the intake couldn't take the pressure. When did you buy it originally if I may ask and how did you discover it wasn't sealed?

[M3DCTBT]

Originally Posted by Singletrack

Sucks it collapsed. Over-tightening intake parts is something I'm always cautious with - known to cause problems on my last few cars. Although, sort-of sucks that the intake couldn't take the pressure. When did you buy it originally if I may ask and how did you discover it wasn't sealed?

I bought it 2 weeks ago. I did not notice it on install. It installed fine.

I had the worm clamp pointed to the furthest away point initially. After opening the hood a week later I noticed the gap. I moved the clamp to the gap to try to close it up and realized it was to no avail.

[Singletrack]

Originally Posted by M3DCTBT

I bought it 2 weeks ago. I did not notice it on install. It installed fine.

I had the worm clamp pointed to the furthest away point initially. After opening the hood a week later I noticed the gap. I moved the clamp to the gap to try to close it up and realized it was to no avail.

Thanks. Little scary.

[OM VT3]

So if I'm getting aa pulley akra evo tune do u get a MS stage 2 or a drop in air filter

[Singletrack]

Originally Posted by M3DCTBT

I bought it 2 weeks ago. I did not notice it on install. It installed fine.

I had the worm clamp pointed to the furthest away point initially. After opening the hood a week later I noticed the gap. I moved the clamp to the gap to try to close it up and realized it was to no avail.

FYI - Just checked mine after 2 weeks of use and a 730mi continuous drive in 90F+ weather and no issue. It was a bear getting everything fitted perfectly though.

[phrogbubbaE92]

Originally Posted by M3DCTBT

Update: MS is sending me a new filter housing and responded quickly.

They think I tightened it too hard and collapsed the housing. I was told to simply tighten the filter clamp snug, enough to stick to the housing.

I did not over tighten it before, but just to let others know - be gentle with it!

who did you contact? it would be really nice to get those replacement parts since all i did was tighten the hardware to what i thought was snug.. i know i didnt over torque the clamp so it has been extremely frustrating.. thanks in advance..

[M3DCTBT]

Originally Posted by phrogbubbaE92

who did you contact? it would be really nice to get those replacement parts since all i did was tighten the hardware to what i thought was snug.. i know i didnt over torque the clamp so it has been extremely frustrating.. thanks in advance..

info@machtschnell.com - they came through quick, props to them for sending replacement quick.

I didn't, IMO, overtorque mine either. If a euro wimpy worm clamp can warp plastic by a small flathead screw driver then .

Lately I'm not entirely happy with the way it fits, looks like no matter what it puts pressure upwards on my airbox lid. After replacement shows up if I don't see much on the dyno justifying it I will be going back to stock + MS, it sure fit alot better.

[M3roar]

just checked my Stage 2 Fittings and nothing has collapsed. Ran some track events in 90+ degree weather and daily driving in 105+ weather. Everything looks great!

[M3DCTBT]

All fixed - thanks MS.

[H2OENG]

Originally Posted by M3DCTBT

SAME PROBLEM HERE.

I do have problems with my kits not sealing and letting in unfiltered air:

Exhibit A:



Exhibit B:

One thing I noticed with the kit and should be stated is that the tightening screw of the hose clamps are best suited on the radius on all parts. This better distributes the pressure evenly. On a circular part you can place it anywhere because the shape is uniform and therefore the pressure is evenly distributed. With the given shapes of where the hose clamps go, if you place the tightening screw on a staright portion it is going to apply more force in that area and cause it to cave in as we see. (I learned this the hard way myself) The other thing is you don't need to torque the clamp a lot. Hose clamps deliver a alot of pressure and I have come across some clamps that will actually strip if over tightened (once again something I learned the hard way early in the car modding hobby career). All in all I am happy with the kit, especially since it has better revised with a thread in breather fitting.

FTR I had the first version had the breather issue, then went to the AFE kit and was not pleased, then went back to the MS kit once they resolved the issue. The AFE kit is nice except for the tiny filter they put on. All in all

[M3DCTBT]

First post? LOL

Car feels ALOT BETTER and sounds better with a perfectly sealed system after fixing the above.

[J08M3]

Originally Posted by M3DCTBT

First post? LOL
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[MJM]

I installed the MS Stage 2 kit myself (except the scoops) and install went fine, fitment was perfect and alignment hasn't varied from initial install three weeks ago.

[Action JacksonE92]

Just finished installing my kit. Didn't feel any difference. Glad I only paid $200 for it.

[MTrezzz]

I would love to buy a kit from Matcht Schnell but I'm afraid of my kit warping on me like it did to others over time. Also do these kits really yield 10hp? I know it's more of a sound upgrade; but you do advertise it making some power.