Blown motors, Rod Bearing failure S65 Registry.

[thekurgan]

Originally Posted by douglee25

How does an aftermarket exhaust void warranty? I still never understood that one.

Doesn't the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act apply to situations like that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuso...s_Warranty_Act

Exhaust? no, tune? probably.

[pbonsalb]

Originally Posted by douglee25

How does an aftermarket exhaust void warranty? I still never understood that one.

Doesn't the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act apply to situations like that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnuso...s_Warranty_Act

Probably whatever attorney is eventually hired by some irate consumer who is willing to risk spending more than the damage is worth to pursue a claim against BMW that may be won or lost will allege violations of various express and implied warranties and any other laws that might possibly apply.

[JRV]

Originally Posted by BMRLVR

Those bearings look ok for a set of bearings with say160,000 km on them but that is considerable wear for 44,000 km. As far as S65s are concerned though, those bearings look much better than the norm.

One thing that does look good is the fact that they are all worn roughly the same amount. To me it looks like that engine was pretty consistent from rod to rod where clearances were concerned.

Thanks. Would you say this is more of a case of accelerated wear as oppose to oil starvation?

[SenorFunkyPants]

I think links to these old failures may be missing from the front page.
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...2#post18031972
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1129480

Interestingly:
in the nine months Jan 2014 - Sept 2014 inc...total fails = 20
in the nine months Oct 2014 - Jun 2015 inc....total fails = 10
(Non supercharged cars as reported on m3post by the owner)

[aus]

Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

I think links to these old failures may be missing from the front page.
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...2#post18031972
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1129480

Interestingly:
in the nine months Jan 2014 - Sept 2014 inc...total fails = 20
in the nine months Oct 2014 - Jun 2015 inc....total fails = 10
(Non supercharged cars as reported on m3post by the owner)

Thanks for the heads up.

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[KevinGS]

Beautiful car, crappy build quality. BMW should be ashamed of themselves.

We'll see how well the F80/82 Ms hold up, but I'm not holding my breath.

I have to have rock-solid reliability. I want to get in and drive my non-tracked car for at least 100,000 miles without worry. Hec, I have 300,000 on my 2001 modded Lexus GS, and I'd still trust it to drive across country.

I bought a BMW because I wanted a pure toy, but this thread will send me back to Lexus eventually, even though I want to remain with the German marques. I'll consider a 911, but their boards are littered with threads like this too, related to engine and transmission failures.

It's just sad....so very sad.

[ZeroM31996]

Rod Bearing failure



Was this noise only visible during start up (car cold)...and you rev the engine to 2k-3k and hear the knocking sound?

Or was the noise present regardless the time of day?

Did the knocking noise go away after the car warmed up? No more knocking sound when under load (RPM 2k-3k-4k)


When I start my car up....it makes the infamous metallic clunk noise on start up (metallic clunk..one-two) (after car sitting 4-6 hours)...

Then it idles normally.
Rev it 2K to 3K..I can hear knock noise/.......
Noise only present when car under load (reving)...... this will last for 2-5 minutes only.

but once the engine warms up.

I dont hear it anymore. Sounds normal then.Idle normal. No knock noise at any RPM range.

Exhaust leak? If it was exhaust leak, would i hear it all the time?

I will post a video tomorrow.....



Stock.
M performance exhaust
E93 M3 2012


Potential Rod Bearing failure or something else:

VIDEO
https://vid.me/U25T

https://vid.me/ETsg

https://vid.me/d9LB

[aus]

The S65 makes all kinds of noise when it's cold. If it goes away after it warms up, it's much less likely to be the bearings.
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[ZeroM31996]

Originally Posted by aus

The S65 makes all kinds of noise when it's cold. If it goes away after it warms up, it's much less likely to be the bearings.
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Thanks!

[Obioban]

Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

I think links to these old failures may be missing from the front page.
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthr...2#post18031972
http://www.m3post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1129480

Interestingly:
in the nine months Jan 2014 - Sept 2014 inc...total fails = 20
in the nine months Oct 2014 - Jun 2015 inc....total fails = 10
(Non supercharged cars as reported on m3post by the owner)

I would stick to 12 month blocks to not bias it towards periods where people drive more/less.

[OzCraig]

Came across this one today, no idea who it is though.
Is it just me or does it sound like it's rattling away quite early on in the video and get progressively louder?

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by OzCraig

Came across this one today, no idea who it is though.
Is it just me or does it sound like it's rattling away quite early on in the video and get progressively louder?

Yep , sadly over and out at "9:08" runtime with loud rattle noises in the video !
Saw that the video dates from 7/19 on the Youtube channel so about 6 days ago...and saw no comments under his video on Youtube.
Video was posted under the name "joeyB8019" and I tried his name via PM/Link and his name had no match , so probably he is no member on here .
And so another failure never registered on this forum/thread like Worldwide many others .

[vsix]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Yep , sadly over and out at "19:08" runtime with loud rattle noises in the video !
Saw that the video dates from 7/19 on the Youtube channel so about 6 days ago...and saw no comments under his video on Youtube.
Video was posted under the name "joeyB8019" and I tried his name via PM/Link and his name had no match , so probably he is no member on here .
And so another failure never registered on this forum/thread like Worldwide many others .

Hi friend,
isn't this video exactly indicating an failure under track- abuse?
I think the real engine failure occured somewhere past 8.2k RPM while the lowest RPM's where around 5-5.5 ish.
Only asuming it as an ///M daily driver by the pure engine sound and I'm very good at it.

[Mr. Liu]

Jesus christ, well now we know if you hear rod knock stop immediately!!!! That lasted what like 2 miles?

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by vsix

Hi friend,
isn't this video exactly indicating an failure under track- abuse?
I think the real engine failure occured somewhere past 8.2k RPM while the lowest RPM's where around 5-5.5 ish.
Only asuming it as an ///M daily driver by the pure engine sound and I'm very good at it.

Of course it's a failure , and the rattle noise indicates to bearing failure but without a black hole because there was no smoke under the hood .
Abuse ? ...C'mon man ?!?! it's a S65 engine once warmed up it's born to rev up to 8K rpm's daily driver or not....Why else ?
In other words it's no small diesel engine we are talking about..
Listen again to the video and at exactly 9:16 runtime I heard the first gong sound (sound signal), so probably he got a warning message from the car with engine failure with reduced power ect..
About the sound of the car I heard more and deeper intake noise as usual , so probably the guy had an aftermarket air intake or airfilter , but that was not the problem ...the problem that he had we all know very well !
Anyway glad it's not my/your/our car , but feel really sorry for the guy .
I would love to say more shit of our German brand , but the reactions all over on here... changed my mind otherwise I'm again the reason why people are replacing their bearings .
I can't no longer type the truth on here because it seems it's not the best thing to do... thinking about the value of our cars , and actually this people are right .
So it's more like...Look and listen of what happens... and shut the fuck up with our head under the sand, and let's hope we never hear the famous rattle noise on our S65 !
Waiting for reactions.....

[vsix]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Of course it's a failure , and the rattle noise indicates to bearing failure but without a black hole because there was no smoke under the hood .
Abuse ? ...C'mon man ?!?! it's a S65 engine once warmed up it's born to rev up to 8K rpm's daily driver or not....Why else ?
In other words it's no small diesel engine we are talking about..
Listen again to the video and at exactly 9:16 runtime I heard the first gong sound (sound signal), so probably he got a warning message from the car with engine failure with reduced power ect..
About the sound of the car I heard more and deeper intake noise as usual , so probably the guy had an aftermarket air intake or airfilter , but that was not the problem ...the problem that he had we all know very well !
Anyway glad it's not my/your/our car , but feel really sorry for the guy .
I would love to say more shit of our German brand , but the reactions all over on here... changed my mind otherwise I'm again the reason why people are replacing their bearings .
I can't no longer type the truth on here because it seems it's not the best thing to do... thinking about the value of our cars , and actually this people are right .
So it's more like...Look and listen of what happens... and shut the fuck up with our head under the sand, and let's hope we never hear the famous rattle noise on our S65 !
Waiting for reactions.....

lol
Love ya brother !

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by vsix

lol
Love ya brother !

Love you too bro ! ( No homo here , love chick asses too mutch )
My statement above in a few other words...."The truth never lies" !

[Obioban]

Originally Posted by vsix

Hi friend,
isn't this video exactly indicating an failure under track- abuse?
I think the real engine failure occured somewhere past 8.2k RPM while the lowest RPM's where around 5-5.5 ish.
Only asuming it as an ///M daily driver by the pure engine sound and I'm very good at it.

No, it's a failure under track use.

If tracking is "abuse", M has lost all meaning.

[vsix]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Love you too bro ! ( No homo here , love chick asses too mutch )
My statement above in a few other words...."The truth never lies" !

Same here, no broke back mountain shit lol

[vsix]

Originally Posted by Obioban

No, it's a failure under track use.

If tracking is "abuse", M has lost all meaning.

Counting in that all kind of parts do take alot of wear through the year's, we definately can speak about abuse in this case.
7-8 years for an high- rever is ALOT more so when you take such an old fart to the track and think you can beat the hell out of it, as if it were brand spanking new.
People should start to understand that their BMW wasn't built in HOGWARTS with wearing parts magically swapping them self when overdue.

Keep your ///M in honour, treat it with respect, it's old and in retirement
Just be happy you can drive it, as it tells alot about you. You are an Real enthusiasts rocking the hottest car ever made!

[aussiem3]

Originally Posted by Obioban

No, it's a failure under track use.

If tracking is "abuse", M has lost all meaning.

+1

I don't think this guy ever bounced off the rev limiter at any stage. Very smooth driving and in fact he knew how to drive on the 'Ring especially the way he tackled some of the corners and bends. There is no way you can attribute this to track abuse. This could have happened during DD or any other spirited driving. Just because he recorded it and posted it on YouTube doesn't mean that tracking the car resulted in bearing failure. Let's chill out and look at the main issue here.

Show some sympathy. He was enjoying the car and not trying to destroy it. This could have been one of us.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Mr. Liu

Jesus christ, well now we know if you hear rod knock stop immediately!!!! That lasted what like 2 miles?

Normal because the guys were driving on the ring and wearing helmets , and so it's normal that we hear the rattle noises earlier in the video than them with a helmet over their ears .