BE Bearings - Extra Clearance bearings for BMW S65/S85

twinpuller · 12-24-2015, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BMRLVR

Don't forget, you need to change the oil too!

And add another $12 for a filter. You didn't mention the filter so you probably didn't think it was important

nholmes · 12-24-2015, 08:09 PM

Mine arrived:

XxMerlinxX · 12-31-2015, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeM3SSII

..and that will cost you $1500 $2000 more. Also changing bearings and not the rod bolts, not sure it's a good thing. Doesn't previous worn bearing metal on metal stress the rod bolts out of spec ? how do you know what torque to use on those bearings as compared to oem bearings ?
No mention of this in this post means it's not that important ?

Nah, not that important. Figure we'll just throw'em in there and see what happens. The Jiffy Lube guy says he's done plenty of these, should be fine.

pbonsalb · 12-31-2015, 11:07 AM

Tough crowd around here.

Doc Oc · 12-31-2015, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by XxMerlinxX

Nah, not that important. Figure we'll just throw'em in there and see what happens. The Jiffy Lube guy says he's done plenty of these, should be fine.

I heard if you take it to one of the valvoline quick lubes they'll actually cut the bottom of the oil pan out to get to the bearings, thus saving you a ton in labor....

m3aviator · 01-11-2016, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Doc Oc

I heard if you take it to one of the valvoline quick lubes they'll actually cut the bottom of the oil pan out to get to the bearings, thus saving you a ton in labor....

haha!

aus · 01-18-2016, 07:51 PM

So are most people using stock bolts now?

What do you guys use at AutoTalent for bolts?
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AutoTalent · 01-18-2016, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by aus

So are most people using stock bolts now?

What do you guys use at AutoTalent for bolts?
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We recommend the BE-ARP rod bolts. But we will install OEM if the customer prefers.

pbonsalb · 01-18-2016, 08:26 PM

I thought BE recommends stock bolts.

Cidle · 01-18-2016, 08:32 PM

That is what i recall as well

AutoTalent · 01-18-2016, 08:42 PM

BE worked with ARP to create a custom rod bolt with different torque spec that minimizes the bore distortion. It's not an off-the-shelf ARP rod bolt. BE added that to the group buy about half way through. The update also appeared at the BE wiki page on rod bolts.

http://wiki.rcollins.org/core/index....2000_rod_bolts

Dave07997S · 01-18-2016, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by XxMerlinxX

Nah, not that important. Figure we'll just throw'em in there and see what happens. The Jiffy Lube guy says he's done plenty of these, should be fine.

Pep Boys is better!!

Three Pedal Steve · 01-18-2016, 10:04 PM

Does it make sense to do preventative r/b replacement on a pampered 2013 e92 M3 with 50k miles? I plan to keep this car forever.

pbonsalb · 01-19-2016, 06:35 AM

You should read the threads and decide for yourself. Most of these cars are still on their original bearings, but most cars that have had bearings changed showed badly worn bearings. The odds are on your side. But we pay to insure against unlikely odds.

I changed my bearings at 60k when I was out of warranty since I could not afford a new or used motor but could afford $600 in parts and could do the labor myself. My bearings actually looked pretty good compared to most that have been posted and I think they would have lasted another few years. The only aspect that worried me was copper showing around the parting lines and also a little bit along the edge of some bearings. I am not sure what would have happened over time because of those wear through areas.

Ingenio · 01-19-2016, 08:52 AM

Wish I'd seen that post before I used OEM bolts with my BE Bearings. Oh well, what's done is done and hopefully they'll do the job for many years to come. So is there any evidence to prove that using eom bolts is actually a bad idea?

kawasaki00 · 01-19-2016, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Ingenio

Wish I'd seen that post before I used OEM bolts with my BE Bearings. Oh well, what's done is done and hopefully they'll do the job for many years to come. So is there any evidence to prove that using eom bolts is actually a bad idea?

No, there is nothing wrong with the OEM bolt

Ingenio · 01-19-2016, 08:56 AM

Thanks Kawasaki... That'll help be sleep better tonight! :-)

FYI my bearings showed a bit of copper after 62,000km so I'm glad I did them and am pleased to be back on 10w60 too!

agenator · 01-19-2016, 10:17 AM

So the be bearing rod bolts are the same as the ones VAC sells? They just say to torque them to 50ft/lbs instead of 45?

aus · 01-22-2016, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by AutoTalent

BE worked with ARP to create a custom rod bolt with different torque spec that minimizes the bore distortion. It's not an off-the-shelf ARP rod bolt. BE added that to the group buy about half way through. The update also appeared at the BE wiki page on rod bolts.

http://wiki.rcollins.org/core/index....2000_rod_bolts

So it sounds like these bolts were made to specs that match this engine and bearing combo? And I assume they're easier to torque?

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Originally Posted by Three Pedal Steve

Does it make sense to do preventative r/b replacement on a pampered 2013 e92 M3 with 50k miles? I plan to keep this car forever.

It's a personal decision. The newer engines have the harder bearings that don't seem to show wear metals before the engine blows. That's what makes me nervous.
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pbonsalb · 01-22-2016, 11:53 AM

VAC is also using some special ARP bolts.

Any ARP bolt is easier to torque than stock bolts due to the torque series and sequences required for new stock bolts. I have installed both.

335m · 01-22-2016, 03:51 PM

How long have these bearings been on the market? Curious to see any higher mileage examples of the increased clearance versions.

AutoTalent · 02-22-2016, 01:36 PM

Bump!

12-31-2015, 11:07 AM	#26
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aus Major General 890 Rep 9,032 Posts Drives: Odysse Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Seal Beach, CA iTrader: (10)	So are most people using stock bolts now? What do you guys use at AutoTalent for bolts? . __________________ Let me get this straight... You are swapping out parts designed by some of the top engineers in the world because some guys sponsored by a company told you it's "better??" But when you ask the same guy about tracking, "oh no, I have a kid now" or "I just detailed my car." or "i just got new tires."
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01-18-2016, 08:42 PM	#33
AutoTalent Lieutenant General 2307 Rep 12,654 Posts Drives: e92 M3 6mt \| e60 M5 6mt Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Los Angeles iTrader: (11)	BE worked with ARP to create a custom rod bolt with different torque spec that minimizes the bore distortion. It's not an off-the-shelf ARP rod bolt. BE added that to the group buy about half way through. The update also appeared at the BE wiki page on rod bolts. http://wiki.rcollins.org/core/index....2000_rod_bolts
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Three Pedal Steve Captain 875 Rep 611 Posts Drives: 2013 M3 coupe' 6mt Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Under a Waterfall in Highlands NC iTrader: (0) Garage List 2013 BMW M3 Coupe [0.00]	Does it make sense to do preventative r/b replacement on a pampered 2013 e92 M3 with 50k miles? I plan to keep this car forever. __________________ memories: '71 2002 (new), '72 Bavaria, '74 2002tii, '00 540i Sport
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01-19-2016, 06:35 AM	#36
pbonsalb Lieutenant General 5228 Rep 10,613 Posts Drives: 18 F90 M5, 99 E36 M3 Turbo Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: New England iTrader: (4)	You should read the threads and decide for yourself. Most of these cars are still on their original bearings, but most cars that have had bearings changed showed badly worn bearings. The odds are on your side. But we pay to insure against unlikely odds. I changed my bearings at 60k when I was out of warranty since I could not afford a new or used motor but could afford $600 in parts and could do the labor myself. My bearings actually looked pretty good compared to most that have been posted and I think they would have lasted another few years. The only aspect that worried me was copper showing around the parting lines and also a little bit along the edge of some bearings. I am not sure what would have happened over time because of those wear through areas.
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01-19-2016, 08:52 AM	#37
Ingenio Major 179 Rep 1,171 Posts Drives: 2008 Space Grey E92 M3 (6MT) Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Perth iTrader: (0)	Wish I'd seen that post before I used OEM bolts with my BE Bearings. Oh well, what's done is done and hopefully they'll do the job for many years to come. So is there any evidence to prove that using eom bolts is actually a bad idea?
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01-19-2016, 08:56 AM	#39
Ingenio Major 179 Rep 1,171 Posts Drives: 2008 Space Grey E92 M3 (6MT) Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Perth iTrader: (0)	Thanks Kawasaki... That'll help be sleep better tonight! :-) FYI my bearings showed a bit of copper after 62,000km so I'm glad I did them and am pleased to be back on 10w60 too!
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agenator Private 7 Rep 85 Posts Drives: 2008 BMW M3 Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: indiana iTrader: (4)	So the be bearing rod bolts are the same as the ones VAC sells? They just say to torque them to 50ft/lbs instead of 45?
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01-22-2016, 11:53 AM	#42
pbonsalb Lieutenant General 5228 Rep 10,613 Posts Drives: 18 F90 M5, 99 E36 M3 Turbo Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: New England iTrader: (4)	VAC is also using some special ARP bolts. Any ARP bolt is easier to torque than stock bolts due to the torque series and sequences required for new stock bolts. I have installed both.
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01-22-2016, 03:51 PM	#43
335m Major 123 Rep 1,166 Posts Drives: 08 e92 M3 Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Austin Texas iTrader: (1)	How long have these bearings been on the market? Curious to see any higher mileage examples of the increased clearance versions. __________________ 2008 e92 M3: Gintani Sport w/ Topspeed Catless X-Pipe, KW-V3
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