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And like was mentioned in above posts, if you want fun within the speed limit a sports car probably is not going to deliver for you. You should look into getting a luxury sedan cruiser or a grand tourer. Wait, no. Reviews have said the M3 makes a good tourer as well. |
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11-29-2007, 05:51 PM | #46 | |
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Interesting article written from those who drove the cars side by side. Some interesting quotes from the article: 1986 BMW M3 (E30) Question is, have we saved the best till last or are we about to witness a bloody massacre? How can the boxy E30 M3 with its 2.5-liter inline-4 engine — even in its ultimate 1990 Sport Evolution configuration with 235 hp at 7,000 rpm — stand up to the sophisticated savagery of the E46 M3 CSL, the effortless mambo of the E39 M5, the supercar chops of the E26 M1 and the phenomenal pace, poise and polish of the E92 M3? Quite easily, as it turns out. Let's make this simple: The original M3 is utterly brilliant. More to the point, it's utterly brilliant in ways that the people at M have either forgotten about or chosen to ignore. Something of the essence of the E30 is present in the CSL and the M1 — a sense of mechanical honesty, integration and purity — yet not in the E92 M3. For all its pace and grip, the new V8-powered M3 doesn't have the E30's dynamic fluency, its loose-limbed agility or its intimacy. Apparently Formula 1 driver Jean Alesi liked his E30 M3 so much he later called it one of the most enjoyable and best-handling road cars he had ever owned. A finely balanced weight distribution of 48 percent front/52 percent rear gives one clue as to why it feels so good. This car can't rely on electronic aids, so it has to work with you and build a mutual bond of trust. It's as if the car knows exactly what you want to do. And in turn, the car's intentions and abilities are completely clear to the driver. If you can't form a close relationship with the E30, chances are you have no friends. This original M3 from 1986, created as a homologation special for racing, is the antithesis of the new E92 M3 with its big horsepower and comfy seats. The pure connection between man and machine more than compensates for the car's comparative lack of pace down the straight bits. You can tell exactly what each of the four wheels is doing and the balance allows them to work in unison. This car is the very essence of what the BMW M Division is all about. When we tally up the scores at the end of the day, it's the E30 M3 that beats them all. It wins because it does more with less and destroys the idea (apparently at the core of BMW M thinking these days) that if power is good, more power must be better. |
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11-29-2007, 06:42 PM | #47 | |
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Nonetheless no matter how much magic this car has, who would really be satisfied actually owning one of these fairly crude (by todays standards) cars? That is the big question IMO. They are crude in fit/finish, looks, interior and many more categories as well. I certainly agree that there is more to a car than it's raw numbers but those points can be so subjective. That is when it is up to us each as drivers/owners to decide if we feel as "bonded" and "inspired" as the Evo guys felt to with the E30 M3. If all of the M3 journos/critics are correct I should very likely enjoy an E92 M3 less than my E36 M3. The E36 M3 is not that high in Evo's rankings (certainly not in the top 4) but mine, in it's current state of tune, is significantly closer to the E30 M3 and the CSL. Still I just can't see enjoying it more than an E92 M3, neither on objective numbers nor on subjective opinions and feeling. Last but not least I just don't place all that much weight in this Evo evaluation and ranking. Sure all these guys are probably bigger car buffs than I am, they are all probably better drivers and certainly have driven immensely more cars than I have. I just don't think they used the best criteria and no matter who these guys are I am entitled to this opinion. Heck the M1 made the list becuase it is "exotic"? I don't really care much about that. The E92 M3 also gets knocked as too much of an "all arounder". Yeah big problem, a tragedy, what were BMW thinking? The car is too capable and that makes it less of an M? Wake up guys - the definition of M itself is changing. And the E39 M5 above the E92 M3??? I just can't see how they get there. Perhaps the article is sort of time relative, like the E39 M5 was a bigger and better achievement at the time than the E92 M3 is today. I definitely get that sense of that they weight the merits of the cars in their own day NOT today. BTW did you catch the gushing praise in the Aussie car of the year article? |
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11-29-2007, 07:58 PM | #48 |
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Based on all that I've read about the E30 M3--and the poster of it that used to hang above my bed in college--I can say that I would have loved to own one. I guess one can still buy an E30 M3 at a significant premium, but one cannot buy a new one--never mind using it as a DD. I am in the market for a new car, and the reality is that I am confined to consider the cars that are available today in the USA. I simply cannot see a worthy RWD alternative to the M3 at its price and utility range.
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11-29-2007, 09:44 PM | #49 | |
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Just slip an S54 in there and you'd have a unique ride. I know what you mean, though, takes a lot of commitment and time to keep something that old perfect.
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And garage space that I don't have! I live in a condo with a single designated spot. If I had garage space, there are several cars like the E30 M3 that I would like to "collect".
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Maybe you need to think about a house with a bigger garage before a new M3?
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