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No sh!t it is a %, I used some tricky math and converted it to a number!!
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So, "purely from the performance end" -- could mean something totally different depending on where you want the car to perform. Street or track. And how much you value comfort and getting "the whole package." That's where the M3 comes in. Again, lower laptimes can be achieved by spending a whole lot less money on a more track-focused car to begin with..... Or, if you want to spend $65K like you would on an M3, a C6 Z06. |
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They are Procede equiped cars with full suspension, LSD, Aftermarket oil cooler and exhaust. That's it. Stock Brakes/intake/intercooler and of course stripped inside to remove weight.
Both Chipped cars never broke down during the race or had to pull over. So YES, you can track your 335i w/o problems. |
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i say BMW left a very slim margin between the M3 and 335, at least on paper anyways. don't bring up the csl because i think it's kind of a marketing ploy BS.
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Well no wonder it lasted thru the endurance.....! Anyways, I'm so sick and tired of people "worried" about the new M. Slight concern okay but since there are no hard facts then why assume it will be a letdown??? If I had the money I would always take it over a mod'ed, lesser sibling. |
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06-13-2007, 08:48 PM | #30 |
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[QUOTE= I buy a car PURELY from the performance end, and there is PLENTY of easy suspension mods, tire/wheel mods that would make it so it wasn't just 0-60 times. .[/QUOTE]
If you're looking purely for performance then it would be obvious to me that BMW isnt the right car for you, there are plenty of performance cars out there for 1\2 the price or less of an M3. There are plenty of sports cars out there, keep in mind a M3 is a 3 series FIRST that is modified to feel like a sports car, not the other way around. Sorry guys but soapbox time... Let's keep in mind that driving an M car isnt about 0 to 60 times, 1\4 mile, etc. Never was and never will be. There will always be something faster, blah blah. The reason you drive an M3 is cause your addicted to the visceral experience of the drive, feeling the car come together as one as the speed increases. Most cars come apart at the seams when you push it, where the M3 just begs for more. "Whole is greater than the sum of the parts" is what comes to mind. If you drive an M3, 911, Cayman - these arent cars with impressive paper numbers, but are drivers cars. You can get a cheap Mustang and do some crazy engine mods for cheap and blow by M3\911\Cayman all day on the drag strip or whatever. I went from an 01 M3 to a E90 330i and sold it for an 05 ZCP. I test drove the 335 but its just too dull, it doesnt matter if it has 1000 HP and 0 to 60 in 2.1 seconds, its just not as fun to drive as the drivers cars. Anyway, sorry for the rant but just sick of reading about the paper comparisons of 0 to 60 times, 1\4 mile, etc. I do wonder how many posters here have owned an M3, 911, etc and can compare some real world driving experiences? Just wait until you get to rev up that ///M V8 to 8000 RPM at WOT. The 335 guys can drive circles around me all day, but I wont notice cause I'll be enjoying the ///M experience all day and worth every penny IMO.:rocks: I guess I should put on my fire suit, flame suit, or whatever its supposed to be called... lol Last edited by Damage Inc; 06-13-2007 at 08:51 PM.. Reason: mistype |
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The M3 will do 0-62 in about 4.2 ~ 4.3 seconds...! BMW official quotes are always for regular "average joe" drivers. A 335 will not beat the M in handling, it's too top heavy and fat. Drag racing is for hillbillies -Garrett |
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Modded Cars vs. M Cars
Just as an example of a heavily modded car vs. a near stock M car.
Looks great on paper but the M cars deliver the performance all the time. http://www.veoh.com/videos/v625978Y39Fwek3 More vids on the way......There will be something more exciting soon from the Supra and the turbo RS4s Trust me.
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Agreed that the M is the way to go, but I believe that your 0-60 numbers are a little lofty.
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Well, we know this is just not to be true. With an oil cooler guys are beating this shit out of their cars and they are doing just fine. Just the early ones without the extra cooler on the automatics are the only ones overheating.
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I obviously haven't driven the new M3 yet but I have had the 2 previous generations of M3 and I loved them. So much so I no longer have any Porsches. Knowing what I know now....still the M6. The thing weighs 3900 pounds (about the same weight as my old E46 M3 Cab) and has 500+ HP and it sounds badass. I don't think I can go back to lower HP specially since I do track my cars regularly anymore.
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http://www.m5board.com/vbulletin/sho...05&postcount=1 Here is the link for the 335i....even better than the M5 at 6% loss (but I suspect this goes up with more power) http://www.rri.se/popup/performanceg...p?ChartsID=647
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Yup. What's the point of worrying when the new car isn't out yet. My main concern with modified car is reliability and warranty troubles. Sure, there are great products out there but you will always run into risks.
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The e60 M5 is one of the best with only 7% loss - 465bhp at the wheels Yikes, missed that one bmwzimmer...
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It will be faster than the E46. How can it not? More HP, same weight. Similar weight distribution. it will blow the E46 away. This thing will have a screamer in it it.
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