How difficult would it be for BMW to fit the 4.4 liter twin turbo V8

vulcan747 · 04-12-2009, 09:54 AM

into the M3? With 444 ft/lbs it should be the answer to all the torque complaints. I know they have a bundle of R&D in the high RPM stock engine and may not want to lose face with such a quick switch but it sounds super and with direct injection we could see a needed improvement in mileage to boot.

NewM3driver · 04-12-2009, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vulcan747

into the M3? With 444 ft/lbs it should be the answer to all the torque complaints. I know they have a bundle of R&D in the high RPM stock engine and may not want to lose face with such a quick switch but it sounds super and with direct injection we could see a needed improvement in mileage to boot.

It is the engine in the M3 that makes the car what it is... and most of the folks that knock it for not having "enough" torque don't own one, and probably have never driven one. The car, as is out of the box, is awesome... the polar opposite of your 545.

I've owned a 545 and then a 550. Both of those cars are overweight, numb handling barges by comparison... the 545 engine gasps for air over 4000 rpm, and if it has that god aweful active steering...

You can not possibly explore the M car's limits on the public roads. Why would you possibly want to give up that butter smooth engine for turbo lag?

Drive an M3 for a week before suggesting such nonsense.

Patricius · 04-12-2009, 12:33 PM

I have to agree with the first couple of replies. It will be a very sad day for me when the first F/I M3 rolls off the factory floor.

kmarei · 04-12-2009, 12:34 PM

FS
BMW X6 M
with 4.0 V8 Engine from M3
barely used

skim · 04-12-2009, 12:38 PM

i don't care about other M lines, but i hope/wish/pray M3 always stays NA..

alpine335i · 04-12-2009, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmarei

FS
BMW X6 M
with 4.0 V8 Engine from M3
barely used

kmarei · 04-12-2009, 01:02 PM

i would reserve judgement till you drive a 4.4 turbo
all the M faithful said the same thing about our V8 when it came out
how dare they ruin the M3 with a big heavy V8 etc
and we know how good our engine is
i am sure the 4.4TT is damn good
and i am sure it would rock a lot more in an E92

URBAN LEGEND · 04-12-2009, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laszlo

The M is about balance... purity... otherwise, why own one if you're going to change its framework. Get a Camaro.

Ouch.

///Rage · 04-12-2009, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewM3driver

You can not possibly explore the M car's limits on the public roads.

If youre convinced as such then how often do you track your car to realise its full potential?

Just curious..

spyderco10 · 04-12-2009, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ///Rage

If youre convinced as such then how often do you track your car to realise its full potential?

Just curious..

He's not saying he's explored the limits on a track, he's just saying you can't take advantage of its full potential on the street. Safely anyway.

Anyway, I too also hope the M's stay N/A!!

NewM3driver · 04-12-2009, 10:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ///Rage

If youre convinced as such then how often do you track your car to realise its full potential?

Just curious..

That having been said, my car is just that... my car. I don't race it. It goes to school, the office, little league and swim practice.

Push the car hard in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd and you are into triple digits... Punch it in 4th while driving 70 down the highway and you are at warp speed... immediately. Anyone who owns one knows the car is very fast if driven that way.

The cool thing is you can drive it calmly and it is an beautifully balanced ride.

We live near Limerock, and I do plan to take it to the track for a conservative fun day this summer.

I've driven the 335 and a 335 with all the DINAN mods. Not for me.

MJC///M3 · 04-12-2009, 11:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewM3driver

Push the car hard in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd and you are into triple digits... Punch it in 4th while driving 70 down the highway and you are at warp speed... immediately. Anyone who owns one knows the car is very fast if driven that way.

punching it in 4th is amazing.....I would concur with your assessment above.

Jack28 · 04-13-2009, 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NewM3driver

Push the car hard in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd and you are into triple digits... Punch it in 4th while driving 70 down the highway and you are at warp speed... immediately. Anyone who owns one knows the car is very fast if driven that way.

The cool thing is you can drive it calmly and it is an beautifully balanced ride.

Agreed!!!

Canyon Junkie · 04-13-2009, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vulcan747

into the M3? With 444 ft/lbs it should be the answer to all the torque complaints. I know they have a bundle of R&D in the high RPM stock engine and may not want to lose face with such a quick switch but it sounds super and with direct injection we could see a needed improvement in mileage to boot.

First off, the M3 would have a lot of trouble putting that kind of power down. Second, I doubt the TT V8 you're speaking of is anywhere near as light and tidy as the S65. And then there's the turbo lag, you'll have to beef up the drivetrain to handle the extra torque... the list goes on.

Edit: Also, even with direct injection, a twin-turbo v8 would not achieve "good" mileage.

monsta · 04-13-2009, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MJC///M3

punching it in 4th is amazing.....

punching it in any gear is amazing...

rick berry · 04-13-2009, 06:31 PM

I wouldn't be so dismissive of the turbo V8. Road and Track has the new X5M and X6M output at 547 hp. The same motor will probably be put in the new M5. BMW may put a slightly detuned version in the next generation M3. Kinda like what the Merc boys do with the E63 and C63. Bye the way, my wife's new 750li turbo arrives in the US Wednesday.

duk · 04-13-2009, 09:18 PM

that will upset the balance of the car, no thanks

valeram · 04-14-2009, 10:37 AM

Some people will like it, while others will hate it. We are all just numbers and any car manufacturer will change the make-up of one model car for profit. As one reply mentioned: Drive (or better, own) the new M3 and let is know if the torque is inadequate.

SenorFunkyPants · 04-14-2009, 11:25 AM

One of the reasons BMW developed the V8 as a lightweight low inertia high rev engine is because its the best format to go with a DCT.

GS997S · 04-14-2009, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vulcan747

into the M3? With 444 ft/lbs it should be the answer to all the torque complaints. I know they have a bundle of R&D in the high RPM stock engine and may not want to lose face with such a quick switch but it sounds super and with direct injection we could see a needed improvement in mileage to boot.

How would anyone on this board know how difficult it would be to put the 4.4 in the M3?

3XTR3M3 · 04-14-2009, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GS997S

How would anyone on this board know how difficult it would be to put the 4.4 in the M3?

Apparently you havnt seen some of the awesome thats pulled off by some of the members/sponsors here.

And why are so many of you acting like you a 4.4 TT V8 in a M3 is such a horrid idea. It may feel a bit different them the engine you have now but seriously...

If I was given a choice between a 420hp/295lb.ft. V8 and a 550hp/447lb.ft. Twin Turbo V8, take a wild guess which one I would be smoking you in, on a track or a straight

GS997S · 04-14-2009, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 3XTR3M3

Apparently you havnt seen some of the awesome thats pulled off by some of the members/sponsors here.

??????

04-12-2009, 09:54 AM	#1
vulcan747 Enlisted Member 19 Rep 42 Posts Drives: bmw 545 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: columbus ohio iTrader: (1)	How difficult would it be for BMW to fit the 4.4 liter twin turbo V8 into the M3? With 444 ft/lbs it should be the answer to all the torque complaints. I know they have a bundle of R&D in the high RPM stock engine and may not want to lose face with such a quick switch but it sounds super and with direct injection we could see a needed improvement in mileage to boot.
	Appreciate 0 Tweet Quote

04-12-2009, 12:33 PM	#3
Patricius Lieutenant 17 Rep 532 Posts Drives: 04 325xi, 05 M3 cpe, 08 M3 cpe Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Philadelphia, PA iTrader: (0)	I have to agree with the first couple of replies. It will be a very sad day for me when the first F/I M3 rolls off the factory floor.
	Appreciate 0 Quote

04-12-2009, 12:34 PM	#4
kmarei Major General 686 Rep 6,845 Posts Drives: 2018 Audi RS5 coupe Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Reston, VA iTrader: (34) Garage List 2018 Audi RS5 [0.00]	FS BMW X6 M with 4.0 V8 Engine from M3 barely used
	Appreciate 0 Quote

04-12-2009, 12:38 PM	#5
skim Captain 142 Rep 660 Posts Drives: 07 Z4MC Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: SoCal iTrader: (0)	i don't care about other M lines, but i hope/wish/pray M3 always stays NA.. __________________ Future mod consideration: exhaust, pulley otherwise, very happy with how the m3 was born
	Appreciate 0 Quote

04-12-2009, 01:02 PM	#7
kmarei Major General 686 Rep 6,845 Posts Drives: 2018 Audi RS5 coupe Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Reston, VA iTrader: (34) Garage List 2018 Audi RS5 [0.00]	i would reserve judgement till you drive a 4.4 turbo all the M faithful said the same thing about our V8 when it came out how dare they ruin the M3 with a big heavy V8 etc and we know how good our engine is i am sure the 4.4TT is damn good and i am sure it would rock a lot more in an E92
	Appreciate 0 Quote

04-13-2009, 06:31 PM	#16
rick berry Second Lieutenant 11 Rep 268 Posts Drives: 2015 M4 DCT/ 2014 750li Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: marshall texas iTrader: (0)	I wouldn't be so dismissive of the turbo V8. Road and Track has the new X5M and X6M output at 547 hp. The same motor will probably be put in the new M5. BMW may put a slightly detuned version in the next generation M3. Kinda like what the Merc boys do with the E63 and C63. Bye the way, my wife's new 750li turbo arrives in the US Wednesday.
	Appreciate 0 Quote

04-13-2009, 09:18 PM	#17
duk ///M 158 Rep 3,195 Posts Drives: 2011 AW/FR 6MT E92 Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Irvine, CA iTrader: (0)	that will upset the balance of the car, no thanks __________________ 2011.5 AW/FR E92 M3 6MT
	Appreciate 0 Quote

04-14-2009, 10:37 AM	#18
valeram Major 37 Rep 1,413 Posts Drives: 992 TTS, 991.2 GT3 T, F80 M3 C Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Dublin, OH iTrader: (0)	Some people will like it, while others will hate it. We are all just numbers and any car manufacturer will change the make-up of one model car for profit. As one reply mentioned: Drive (or better, own) the new M3 and let is know if the torque is inadequate.
	Appreciate 0 Quote

04-14-2009, 11:25 AM	#19
SenorFunkyPants Brigadier General 2511 Rep 4,381 Posts Drives: 2019 M5 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: UK iTrader: (0)	One of the reasons BMW developed the V8 as a lightweight low inertia high rev engine is because its the best format to go with a DCT.
	Appreciate 0 Quote